brettjrob Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 My best guess is still that tomorrow will be a letdown, and I'm fairly surprised (even in this day and age) to see so many northern/Midwest chasers flocking down here, considering the ideal chase target Sunday could be well back to the NE and early in the day. The GFS is the only model showing verbatim what looks to be a potent tornadic supercell environment prior to 01-02z; it has much richer BL moisture and much more backed sfc winds. Looking back at this past Wed, the NAM definitely underforecast low-level backing in a somewhat similar situation, so a GFS-leaning compromise on helicity is probably warranted. As usual, though, I think moisture will be the downfall of any chaser-friendly activity tomorrow. The NAM-4km depicts very well, on a 100 mb mean qr plot, how much better moisture surges into SW OK just after sunset. It initiates a supercell in NW TX between 01z-02z, such that the last twilight would be fading just as things potentially get interesting. Between 00z RAOBS, current sfc obs and the drought factor, I just can't justify buying into the more optimistic side of moisture guidance. I believe pretty strongly (but not with certainty) that the "real" moisture will surge in at dusk or even an hour after that, with any CI likely awaiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 My best guess is still that tomorrow will be a letdown, and I'm fairly surprised (even in this day and age) to see so many northern/Midwest chasers flocking down here, considering the ideal chase target Sunday could be well back to the NE and early in the day. The GFS is the only model showing verbatim what looks to be a potent tornadic supercell environment prior to 01-02z; it has much richer BL moisture and much more backed sfc winds. Looking back at this past Wed, the NAM definitely underforecast low-level backing in a somewhat similar situation, so a GFS-leaning compromise on helicity is probably warranted. As usual, though, I think moisture will be the downfall of any chaser-friendly activity tomorrow. The NAM-4km depicts very well, on a 100 mb mean qr plot, how much better moisture surges into SW OK just after sunset. It initiates a supercell in NW TX between 01z-02z, such that the last twilight would be fading just as things potentially get interesting. Between 00z RAOBS, current sfc obs and the drought factor, I just can't justify buying into the more optimistic side of moisture guidance. I believe pretty strongly (but not with certainty) that the "real" moisture will surge in at dusk or even an hour after that, with any CI likely awaiting it. Based on how the season has gone you're assuming most chasers wouldn't mind chasing after dark. I agree regarding the flock of folks coming down from the north but if they're continuing to Dixie Alley afterwards I can understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardof96 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The 0z RGEM has an impressive look across W OK and N TX saturday evening. The LLJ is coming in perpidicular to the warm front at 40-60kts while surface winds are backed across NE Tx, E NE, KS and OK. Sfc dewpoint max is in the low to mid sixties across S OK and convection appears to get going just after sundown. EC's svr param package is listed below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxtrackercody Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 SPC speaking about the Arklatex region:"PARTS OF THIS REGION MAY WARRANT AN UPGRADE TO HIGH RISK IN LATER OUTLOOKS." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Full text/prob map for Sunday. DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOKNWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK1254 AM CDT SAT APR 26 2014VALID 271200Z - 281200Z...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER AR...FAR NRN LA/NERN TX/ERNOK/SWRN MO......THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER PARTS OF THE CNTRLCONUS......SUMMARY...AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE STORMS IS POSSIBLE ON SUNDAY ACROSS PARTS OFTHE CENTRAL STATES WITH LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS...AND TORNADOES.THE GREATEST RISK FOR STRONG TORNADOES APPEARS CENTERED FROM THEARK-LA-TEX TO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY....SYNOPSIS...A VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE TROUGH CENTERED IN THE LEE OF THE SRN ROCKIESAT 12Z/SUN WILL SUBSTANTIALLY SLOW AS IT PROGRESSES TOWARDS NEB. ANATTENDANT MID-LEVEL JET /AOA 50 KT AT 500 MB/ WILLPERSIST FROM THE DESERT SW...CURLING NWD FROM THE RED RIVER TO THEMO VALLEY. AT THE SURFACE...A CYCLONE SHOULD DRIFT EWD OVER THECNTRL PLAINS WITH A WARM FRONT ARCING EWD ACROSS THE CORN BELT TOTHE LOWER OH VALLEY. A DRYLINE/WEAKENING PACIFIC COLD FRONT SHOULDREACH ERN KS/OK INTO DEEP S TX IN THE LATE AFTERNOON....MO VALLEY TO THE WRN GULF COAST...OVERALL SCENARIO HAS NOT CHANGED MUCH FROM PREVIOUS OUTLOOK WITHGRADUALLY INCREASING CONFIDENCE IN A POSSIBLE OUTBREAK AMIDSTCONTINUED LIMITING FACTORS.THE WARM SECTOR WILL BE INCREASINGLY BROAD/MOIST BENEATH AN EML WITHLOWER 60S SURFACE DEW POINTS BECOMING ESTABLISHED NEAR THE WARMFRONT AND MIDDLE TO UPPER 60S INTO THE LOWER/MID-MS VALLEYS ANDARKLATEX BY EARLY EVENING SUN. THIS COMBINED WITH INITIALLY STEEPMID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES AND MODERATE TO STRONG DEEP-LAYER SHEAR WILLSUPPORT AN EXPANSIVE AREA OF ORGANIZED SEVERE STORMS.AREAS OF CONVECTION SHOULD BE ONGOING AT 12Z/SUN FROM PARTS OF IA TOOK. ALTHOUGH THE BULK THIS ACTIVITY SHOULD BE ELEVATED...IT SHOULDTRANSITION TO BECOMING SURFACE-BASED AS DOWNSTREAM DIURNAL HEATINGENSUES. CLUSTERS OF ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SEVERE STORMS WILL BEPOSSIBLE AS THIS LEAD CONVECTION LIKELY DEVELOPS EWD.THE MOST INTENSE SEVERE STORMS SHOULD DEVELOP ALONG THE DRYLINE ANDREMNANT CONVECTIVE OUTFLOWS IN THE WARM SECTOR DURING THE AFTERNOON.IN THE WAKE OF EARLY DAY CONVECTION...THERE REMAINS SUBSTANTIALUNCERTAINTY IN THE DEGREE OF DESTABILIZATION /ESPECIALLY WITH NRNEXTENT/. NAM/GFS GUIDANCE IS INSISTENT ON DEVELOPING AT LEASTMODERATE BUOYANCY WITH MLCAPE AOA 1000 J/KG INTO NERN KS ASINSOLATION OCCURS ALONG THE DRYLINE AMIDST STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSERATES. IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR...ROBUST MID-LEVEL DCVA WOULD FOSTERSCATTERED STORMS FORMING BY MID-AFTERNOON INVOF KS/MO BORDER.ALTHOUGH DEEP-LAYER WIND PROFILES SHOULD BE LARGELY MERIDIONALHERE...BACKED LOW-LEVEL WINDS WOULD AID IN SUFFICIENT CURVATURE TOTHE LOW-LEVEL HODOGRAPH FOR SUPERCELLS. LARGE HAIL /SOMESIGNIFICANT/ AND AT LEAST A FEW TORNADOES APPEAR POSSIBLE. PARTS OFTHIS REGION MAY BE UPGRADED TO MODERATE RISK IN LATER OUTLOOKS IF ITAPPEARS STABILIZING EFFECTS OF EARLY DAY CONVECTION WILL NOT BE TOODETRIMENTAL TO THE AFTERNOON THREAT.FARTHER S...A MORE VOLATILE THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT SHOULD EXIST SOF ANY EARLY DAY CONVECTION /INVOF THE ARKLATEX/. WITH SURFACETEMPERATURES HEATING INTO THE 80S/90S ALONG/W OF THE DRYLINE INTX...MLCAPE SHOULD REACH 2500 J/KG JUST AHEAD OF IT. HODOGRAPHSAPPEAR QUITE CONDUCIVE TO SUPERCELLS...CAPABLE OF PRODUCING VERYLARGE HAIL AND STRONG TORNADOES. NAM FORECAST SOUNDINGS REMAIN THEMOST ROBUST WITH THE CO-LOCATION OF STRONG BUOYANCY AND LARGECURVING HODOGRAPHS. OTHER GUIDANCE SUGGESTS STRONGER KINEMATICFIELDS WILL BE DISPLACED FARTHER EAST /CENTERED OVER THE LOWER MSVALLEY/. BUT WITH THE DRYLINE STALLING OR SLOWLY MOVING ACROSS NERNTX SUN NIGHT...TRAINING CONVECTIVE CLUSTERS WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLSMAY CONTINUE WELL INTO THE NIGHT. PARTS OF THIS REGION MAY WARRANTAN UPGRADE TO HIGH RISK IN LATER OUTLOOKS...GRAMS.. 04/26/2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Monday is yet again a major outbreak on the Euro with a broad 50+ kt LLJ, backed SSE surface winds and broad upper level trough along with a well timed vort max (plentiful moisture/instability of course). Tuesday is also looking potent as the strongest impulse in the trough rounds the base and slams into the SE, I'm not sure the last time I've seen a model showing this level of consistency with such a dangerous severe weather setup for more than one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm honestly surprised at how dull the Day 1 outlook sounds in regards to the potential for after-dark supercells across NW TX/SW OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Monday is yet again a major outbreak on the Euro with a broad 50+ kt LLJ, backed SSE surface winds and broad upper level trough along with a well timed vort max (plentiful moisture/instability of course). Tuesday is also looking potent as the strongest impulse in the trough rounds the base and slams into the SE, I'm not sure the last time I've seen a model showing this level of consistency with such a dangerous severe weather setup for more than one day. How many total tornadoes are you thinking from Saturday evening until Tuesday in total? We should have a game to see who predicts the closest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I'm honestly surprised at how dull the Day 1 outlook sounds in regards to the potential for after-dark supercells across NW TX/SW OK. It seems like they acknowledge decent probabilities that storms will develop in that window, but don't believe the tornado threat is significant. I tend to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUmet Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Monday is yet again a major outbreak on the Euro with a broad 50+ kt LLJ, backed SSE surface winds and broad upper level trough along with a well timed vort max (plentiful moisture/instability of course). Tuesday is also looking potent as the strongest impulse in the trough rounds the base and slams into the SE, I'm not sure the last time I've seen a model showing this level of consistency with such a dangerous severe weather setup for more than one day. The 00z UKMET incidentally also shows the same vorticity lobe swinging around the base of the trough during the day Monday, resulting in the strengthening of the low-level jet. The GFS has slowly trended towards showing this subtle vorticity lobe, but still hasn't caught up with the ECMWF/UKMET camp. I suspect it will as we get closer to the event. Taking Sunday and Monday together, I think that this is the most substantial large-scale tornado outbreak threat that we have seen since 2011. This is definitely not a garden variety spring tornado setup we're dealing with here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It seems like they acknowledge decent probabilities that storms will develop in that window, but don't believe the tornado threat is significant. I tend to agree. I agree the tornado threat shouldn't be significant but also that there is the potential for some mischief after dark. Something that could exceed "an isolated tornado". Time will tell but the forecaster sounded like he had a bias that nothing major can really happen after dark in the South Plains. Just my take on it especially compared to the 1730Z Day 2 yesterday. It doesn't really matter since the OKC media will make up their own outlooks anyway haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase_stormz Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The 00z UKMET incidentally also shows the same vorticity lobe swinging around the base of the trough during the day Monday, resulting in the strengthening of the low-level jet. The GFS has slowly trended towards showing this subtle vorticity lobe, but still hasn't caught up with the ECMWF/UKMET camp. I suspect it will as we get closer to the event. Taking Sunday and Monday together, I think that this is the most substantial large-scale tornado outbreak threat that we have seen since 2011. This is definitely not a garden variety spring tornado setup we're dealing with here... It's encompassing such a large area too. Scary looking on the models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 It's encompassing such a large area too. Scary looking on the models. I actually think one of the worst parts is that areas that get hit on Monday could take one on the chin on Tuesday as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chase_stormz Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I actually think one of the worst parts is that areas that get hit on Monday could also take one on the chin on Tuesday as well. I unfortunately won't be able to get out to chase much because of work constraints. But I still think we here in SC KY are right in the mix.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I actually think one of the worst parts is that areas that get hit on Monday could take one on the chin on Tuesday as well.This. I think for MS, AL and GA and probably TN too Tuesday could have even higher end potential than Monday/Monday night. On Tuesday the warm sector looks like it likely have time to recover from the overnight convection; h5 flow further strengthens with the jet core at jaw dropping 90-100 kt over western TN and and northern MS at 00z 4/30, LLJ remains strong and the Euro has consistently been hitting secondary low development over the TN valley. Western half of AL featuring over 2000 j/kg of CAPE at 00z 4/30 on the new Euro. Volatile setup and scary to think the results if Sunday through Tuesday all live up to their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Another day 3 mdt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 Second time ever that two consecutive day three moderates have been issued. And frankly I think that could become three straight tomorrow night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 That is an extremely strong worded day 3. It almost reads like a high risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0235 AM CDT SAT APR 26 2014 VALID 281200Z - 291200Z ...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FOR NRN/CNTRL MS...WRN TN...FAR NERN LA/ERN AR/NWRN AL/SWRN KY... ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE MIDWEST TO THE CNTRL GULF COAST... ...SUMMARY... AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE STORMS IS POSSIBLE ON MONDAY ACROSS PARTS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND MID-SOUTH. LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS...AND TORNADOES ARE EXPECTED. ...SYNOPSIS... BROAD UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH WILL REMAIN ANCHORED OVER THE CNTRL CONUS WITH AN INTENSE MID-LEVEL SPEED MAX /AOA 80 KT AT 500 MB/ ROTATING THROUGH THE BASE OF THE TROUGH AND EJECTING ACROSS PARTS OF THE MID-SOUTH AND CONFLUENCE OF MS/OH RIVERS BY MON AFTERNOON. SURFACE CYCLONE SHOULD REMAIN CENTERED OVER THE MO VALLEY...WITH A WARM FRONT DRAPED EWD OVER THE MIDWEST. COMPOSITE DRYLINE/PACIFIC COLD FRONT SHOULD EXTEND FROM THE LOWER MO VALLEY TO TX GULF COAST ON MON AFTERNOON. ...MIDWEST TO CNTRL GULF COAST... A PLUME OF 60S SURFACE DEW POINTS WILL BE ESTABLISHED FROM THE WARM FRONT IN THE MIDWEST S/SWWD TO THE WRN/CNTRL GULF COAST AND PERSIST AMIDST STRONG LOW-LEVEL S/SWLYS. ALTHOUGH CONVECTION WILL LIKELY BE ONGOING AT 12Z/MON FROM PARTS OF THE MIDWEST TO MID-SOUTH...ROBUST DIURNAL HEATING SHOULD OCCUR IN CONVECTIVE-FREE AREAS TO SUPPORT AT LEAST MODERATE BUOYANCY OVER MUCH OF THE WARM SECTOR BY AFTERNOON. LOW/DEEP-LAYER SHEAR WILL BE QUITE STRONG OWING TO THE AFOREMENTIONED SPEED MAX. THIS CO-LOCATION WITH THE ESTABLISHED WARM SECTOR YIELDS A LARGE AREA OF ORGANIZED SEVERE POTENTIAL. THE MOST CONCENTRATED CORRIDOR FOR HIGH-END SEVERE RISK APPEARS CENTERED OVER PARTS OF THE LOWER MS VALLEY TO MID-SOUTH. WIDESPREAD STORMS APPEAR PROBABLE DURING THE AFTERNOON...LIKELY EMANATING FROM REGENERATIVE CONVECTIVE CLUSTERS ALONG THE DRYLINE/CONVECTIVE OUTFLOWS. WITH EFFECTIVE SHEAR AOA 50 KT AND SURFACE DEW POINTS INTO THE MIDDLE TO UPPER 60S...SETUP COULD YIELD SEVERAL SUPERCELLS WITH STRONG TORNADOES AND LARGE HAIL...EVOLVING INTO BOWS AND WIDESPREAD DAMAGING WINDS. ..GRAMS.. 04/26/2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Thread has been moved here given the potential magnitude/areal coverage of this threat. Make quality posts and try to avoid the one word/one liner/emoticon only stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Have awakened just to check this outlook. Very concerning for persons who experienced 4/27/11 and areas westward. And thanks for moving the thread since this will probably become an historic outbreak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingfunny Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I keep saying that to myself, but I know better. I have only chased once in that area and it was a nightmare. I swore never again, and I've stuck to that so far. I just can't justify it with the **** road network, **** terrain and less than ideal storm motions for chasers. This just isn't worth it to me and a lot of other chasers. There will definitely be some out there chasing this though. I hope they stay safe. If you stay south of Interstate 30 in Arkansas and south of US 70 in OK/TX, the terrain is pretty flat with periodically alternating woods and fields. It's not the High Plains, but it isn't *awful* chasing territory. You would have to be insane to chase in Arkansas north of I-30 though. I'm sure there will be plenty of chasers up in those hills and I hope they stay safe; I won't be one of them. If I go after this system I'll likely stick to a 50-mile radius around Texarkana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOKNWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK0350 AM CDT SAT APR 26 2014VALID 291200Z - 041200Z...DISCUSSION...THE MULTI-DAY SEVERE WEATHER EPISODE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PERSISTENTUPPER-LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE CNTRL CONUS SHOULD CONTINUE INTO D4/TUEAS THE LAST IN A SERIES OF INTENSE MID-LEVEL SPEED MAXIMA EJECTSTHROUGH THE BASE OF THE TROUGH. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN STRONGKINEMATIC FIELDS OVERSPREADING A GULF WARM SECTOR CHARACTERIZED BY60S SURFACE DEW POINTS. THE BREADTH OF THE WARM SECTOR WILL PROBABLYBE CONFINED BY WIDESPREAD ANTECEDENT CONVECTION ON D3.HOWEVER...GUIDANCE IS FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH DIURNAL DESTABILIZATIONOCCURRING AHEAD OF THE PACIFIC COLD FRONT/EFFECTIVE DRYLINE. THECAPE/SHEAR COMBINATION APPEARS FAVORABLE FOR HIGHER-END SEVERE RISKFOCUSED FROM THE CNTRL OH VALLEY TO THE CNTRL GULF COAST.OVERALL KINEMATIC FIELDS SHOULD BE IN A WEAKENING STATE ON D5/WEDAND BECOME INCREASINGLY DISPLACED FROM GREATER BUOYANCY AS THE FRONTACCELERATES EWD. NEVERTHELESS...ORGANIZED SEVERE POTENTIAL ISEVIDENT FROM PARTS OF THE CNTRL APPALACHIANS AND MID-ATLANTIC SWD TOTHE SOUTHEAST...LIKELY YIELDING EVENTUAL SLIGHT RISK DELINEATION...GRAMS.. 04/26/2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 With respect to this evening, the high res short term models are virtually in agreement with little to nothing firing before 00z Sunday. While at least somewhat of a nocturnal threat exists, the setup from Sunday into Tuesday is exceedingly more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Closing in on ICT, with a view of the sun rising behind the elevated convection to our east... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 You should have seen the sunrise on the east side of that elevated convection. The sky was absolutely on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkwx Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The NWS Tulsa is holding a Twitter and FB Q&A on the severe weather situation today (Saturday 4/26) from 3-5 pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Seems like the "multi-day significant severe event" the SPC mentioned days ago is coming to fruition... With back-to-back-to-back D3 MDTS likely, and possibly three straight big tornado days including a chance for three HIGH risks despite how improbable that sounds its a real possibility. Funny how everybody thought this weekend was a bust a few days ago, myself included, albeit todays threat is underwhelming and evening convection COULD be detremental to tomorrows threat. Same works with monday/tuesday... With mondays convection being potentially detremental to tuesday. Nonetheless a significant severe weather outbreak appears probable attm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Absolutely unreal environment on the 12z 4km NAM. Literally every severe parameter is either off the charts, or supportive of violent tornadoes for tomorrow. 0-3km EHI values >15 SCP > 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 SREF @ 69 hours is already popping 75 STI values for Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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