powderfreak Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Tectonic Terror. Nice one haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Totally different climate then during the Maunder Min. NA in the 35-45N range was probably 4-5C colder overall in March and April then. I can't imagine the kind of incredibly moisture laden storms riding along late season arctic blasts that would be way colder than now. Maunder Min was back in the 1600s...way earlier than the 1800s. And you are probably way over-estimating the difference in average temps. 5C colder and we'd literally be ice/snow covered in central/northern New England through May, lol. For a few years after Tambora though, there were some brutal years, but that was in 1815 after the alleged 1807 April Fools Storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Yeah, After a rough go early on for you guys up their, You recovered nicely, Its going to be a while here to go snow free and ice free, 1st time ever in history, The State Inland Fisheries and Wildlife is allowing ice fishing to continue into april as typically, 3/31 ends the ice fishing season and 4/1 starts the open water season, The lakes and ponds still have 3-4' of ice on them here locally with the shoreline not even opening up as of yet, There may be some records set for the latest ice out this year Two anglers below the spillway in Belgrade Village this afternoon, with barely enough room to cast without the lure landing on the ice. The extended season is only slightly tempting - 30" ice beneath several inches of slush, with my hand auger...no thanks. I'd nominate 3/1888 as a 200-yr event for the upper Hudson Valley and adjacent western New England, as there were a number of reports of 45-55" snowfall, though the drifting was monstrous. The 56" at Berlin, NH in Nov 1943 also comes to mind, the ultimate paste bomb, and there were lots of 30"+ reports in that part of NH and adjacent Maine points. The Octobomb probably also qualifies, but only for its timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Maunder Min was back in the 1600s...way earlier than the 1800s. And you are probably way over-estimating the difference in average temps. 5C colder and we'd literally be ice/snow covered in central/northern New England through May, lol. For a few years after Tambora though, there were some brutal years, but that was in 1815 after the alleged 1807 April Fools Storm. My bad I was thinking of the Dalton min.NCDC shows Conn and Mass about 1.65C warmer now in April versus the 1890s. Yeah 4-5C is probably way to warm on average but during the Dalton min which that storm was during probably 2.5C colder than now is possible. That would make major April Noresters expecially over the interior far more likely to be big time snows. Expecially with snow cover and sea ice being larger in April too. It's a shame that our records before the 1800s are random at best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What are some of the coldest April's on record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalWinds Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I'm ready. Was a good finish after a frustrating mid-winter period, snowfall wise. Temp wise, it's been a long winter since early November...and we should have seen it coming. MVL here had it's first sub-zero November readings since 1989 and then capped off the winter with 16 sub-zero readings in March and a record cold month. I wonder how long till we are completely snow-free, snowbank piles and all. Haven't truly seen the grass since November 23rd...though came close in January when there was 1-2" of solid ice in the yard with standing water on top. Well, I promised my mother it will be all gone by her birthday...April 21st. Hope that's realistic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What are some of the coldest April's on record? ORH's coldest Aprils on record are: 1. 40.3...1972 2. 40.6...1956 3. 40.7...1926 4. 40.8...1975 4. 40.8...1943 We haven't had a really cold April since 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 ORH's coldest Aprils on record are: 1. 40.3...1972 2. 40.6...1956 3. 40.7...1926 4. 40.8...1975 4. 40.8...1943 We haven't had a really cold April since 2003. 1972 and 1975 were pretty active in terms of severe weather...well at least in terms of tornadoes...especially 1972. (Across New England). I forget about 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Jachman, Me has 45" on the level. Better hope for a slow warm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Any thoughts on Sat AM. Just peeking art models and it looks like the majority of the rain is out my early AM and the rest of the AM is sort of dreary. I'm looking more for the SE MA area as I have a soccer game mid-AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Had to refresh my browser twice when looking at LR 850 5h, thought it was a Jan map, but nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Had to refresh my browser twice when looking at LR 850 5h, thought it was a Jan map, but nope It's over...0z ECM weakened the troughing significantly in the longer-range. At this point we're just seeing a couple of normal cools shots with 850s in the -2 to -4 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 My bad I was thinking of the Dalton min. NCDC shows Conn and Mass about 1.65C warmer now in April versus the 1890s. Yeah 4-5C is probably way to warm on average but during the Dalton min which that storm was during probably 2.5C colder than now is possible. That would make major April Noresters expecially over the interior far more likely to be big time snows. Expecially with snow cover and sea ice being larger in April too. It's a shame that our records before the 1800s are random at best, Yeah 4-5C colder is a wee bit too cold..lol. I understand what you mean, it likely was colder, but we'll never know how much " snowier" it was. Considering April snowstorms tend to be flukier....you could easily have a period even in this day and age that rivals Aprils of the 1800s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 ORH's coldest Aprils on record are: 1. 40.3...1972 2. 40.6...1956 3. 40.7...1926 4. 40.8...1975 4. 40.8...1943 We haven't had a really cold April since 2003. Up here April 2007 was a tiny bit cooler than 2003, though the most recent top 10 is 1995. Helped that '07 blew away April snowfall records in W.Maine. Jackman, Me has 45" on the level. Better hope for a slow warm up. Yup. Still 32" at my place this morning, and it's probably about a 3:1 ratio - lots of water in Kennebec and Androscoggin watersheds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share Posted April 2, 2014 Had to refresh my browser twice when looking at LR 850 5h, thought it was a Jan map, but nope Doesn't look overly cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 It's over...0z ECM weakened the troughing significantly in the longer-range. At this point we're just seeing a couple of normal cools shots with 850s in the -2 to -4 range.I dont look at Op runs LR, but rather Ens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share Posted April 2, 2014 Interesting that late last week/weekend we talked about today getting to 60 or higher..Seems like that is right on track in the warm areas discussed. Not 70 but certainly low 60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Doesn't look overly cold5H setup,EPO,PNA look is what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share Posted April 2, 2014 5H setup,EPO,PNA look is what I mean. Well yeah..but if the sun is out it'll be 60ish give or take. Prob chilly nighttime lows, but mild, sunny afternoons. Just boring, spring wx at it's finest..And we'll get an occasional onshore, cold rainy day like Friday and next Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Well yeah..but if the sun is out it'll be 60ish give or take. Prob chilly nighttime lows, but mild, sunny afternoons. Just boring, spring wx at it's finest..And we'll get an occasional onshore, cold rainy day like Friday and next TuesdayI punted last week but thats a below normal look. Boring until next Nov unless you like tracking dews isolated severe and sunrise times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Sun is fine this time of year...even if it's below normal. It's the onshore flow and low clouds that are misery. If somehow Saturday can break out in the aftn..it could be very mild. The period near mid April starting around the 12-13th could be real ugly with a shot of polar air trying to move south. It has all the making of something late season...esp NNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Wow how the deportment of the overall modeling changed over night! It's like a seasonal switch instantly turned on the light of milder climate... Notice how the cold side of that trough next week lost some 5c of minus value through lower troposphere every where. All the models did this too. Fascinating. We may not see any snow until next autumn if that's for real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Wow how the deportment of the overall modeling changed over night! It's like a seasonal switch instantly turned on the light of milder climate... Notice how the cold side of that trough next week lost some 5c of minus value through lower troposphere every where. All the models did this too. Fascinating. We may not see any snow until next autumn if that's for real It's a very changeable pattern. Every run has come in warmer in some areas..colder than others and vise-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Man o man NNE looks beautiful today with deep deep snow and bluebird sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I hope we keep it quite cold just to our north through May as we start to get ridging building in. That would mean a pretty tight baroclinic zone...stronger cold fronts and faster jet stream and perhaps more available jet energy...also maybe some pretty cold temps aloft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I hope we keep it quite cold just to our north through May as we start to get ridging building in. That would mean a pretty tight baroclinic zone...stronger cold fronts and faster jet stream and perhaps more available jet energy...also maybe some pretty cold temps aloft. Yeah, lets get those highs to the north. That's always a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Yeah, lets get those highs to the north. That's always a plus. Didn't mean to say due north...meant off to our north and west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Ssts 5-8 below normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Ssts 5-8 below normal Onshore flow and BDFs are gonna be stubborn as hell later this spring unless we can warm those up a good amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If the snow is done im hoping we end up ending our hurricane drought for the us need something to chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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