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I remember the NWS was issuing high confidence forecast for foot plus snow fall like 3-5 days out.  And the guidance back then was now where near what we have today... that was a crazy signal.

I was relatively new to Virginia in '93 but do recall that the '96 storm was predicted quite far in advance. I'm curious - what was the state of the art in NWP 20 years ago? Some of the mets on the board were involved with these forecasts. How different were the tools/analysis then? Maybe a good topic for another thread? I'd be interested in learning more.

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can anyone explain why the shift east has predominated on this particular storm??

Its not a "shift" east. The tendency for a storm  to take an offshore track is partly due to progressive flow and lack of blocking. The question becomes how soon and to what extent does phasing of the individual pieces of energy occur? The sooner, and more negative tilted the trough, the better for getting the low to track closer to the coast.

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Its not a "shift" east. The tendency for a storm  to take an offshore track is partly due to progressive flow and lack of blocking. The question becomes how soon and to what extent does phasing of the individual pieces of energy occur? The sooner, and more negative tilted the trough, the better for getting the low to track closer to the coast.

I realize all that but most of you keep watching for a westward shif,t but what is your reasoning for this??By the model out put nothing has really changed very much., What makes you think anything is going to change??

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I realize all that but most of you keep watching for a westward shif,t but what is your reasoning for this??By the model out put nothing has really changed very much., What makes you think anything is going to change??

Did you read what I said? The speed and degree of phasing, how deep the trough is and whether it takes a neg tilt. Basically the amount of amplification is quite possibly underdone on the current guidance. There was a trend at 0z for more amplification. Need to see if that continues.

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Did you read what I said? The speed and degree of phasing, how deep the trough is and whether it takes a neg tilt. Basically the amount of amplification is quite possibly underdone on the current guidance. There was a trend at 0z for more amplification. Need to see if that continues.

I saw another explanation and wanted to see if you gave the same answer!!

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Being over 72 hours out it's pretty safe to assume there will be significant changes either way. There is a difference however in needing a west shift compare to a north shift. The north shift seems easier to achieve in the later stages were the west shift can be like pulling teeth. As to your original question it's probably more wishing and hoping it improves because I think more factors argue for this to be glancing blow.

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It looks to me that much of the wintry precip that falls in this area Tuesday (except perhaps along and east of 95) is associated with the upper trough hanging to our west as the coastal gets going and moved northeast. If the low develops to our east we will still have a shot at light accumulations. Eastern shore could get some of the wraparound banding.

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I was relatively new to Virginia in '93 but do recall that the '96 storm was predicted quite far in advance. I'm curious - what was the state of the art in NWP 20 years ago? Some of the mets on the board were involved with these forecasts. How different were the tools/analysis then? Maybe a good topic for another thread? I'd be interested in learning more.

Main difference from 20 years ago was resolution and the number of guidance members I believe. Names were also different. NAM was called ETA, GFS was MRF or AVN. There was the LFM and NGM which were not great. Resolution was brutal...no such thing as 4km like some of the short range guidance we now have. We also now look more into the ensemble members vs straight deterministic runs.

Within the NWS prior to 1999 the main interface was called AFOS which did not have the computing power that the current system AWIPS has.

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