Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:28 AM, sbos_wx said: I totally bow to that, but listening to the feed live and a second time the rush was to find the members of 33, no mention of 15. They made is pretty clear over the radio. I don't imagine for sure you heard it. Also, the rush to the guy in cardiac arrest was kind of sudden and during defensive ops/when they had already ordered everyone out.thats what I understand Jay, sucks,tough stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:31 AM, BxEngine said: The guy in cardiac arrest was pulled out of the rear by a truck company. You have the roles here sorta confused. Its impossible to make any sort of guess who was who, there were more than likely members of the truck with the engine when it went bad...the confusion of who was missing happens in every fatal fire. How do you think it went that bad so quick in the basement?I heard it started in the Boiler? And the lack of water... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:28 AM, sbos_wx said: I totally bow to that, but listening to the feed live and a second time the rush was to find the members of 33, no mention of 15. They made is pretty clear over the radio. I don't imagine for sure you heard it. Also, the rush to the guy in cardiac arrest was kind of sudden and during defensive ops/when they had already ordered everyone out. From what I understand they where trapped by the 1st floor falling into the basement..everyone was order out after that except the men in the basement because there where trapped. Two guys from trk 17 could have been the search team, it's very common for trk company's to split off in teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:33 AM, sbos_wx said: How do you think it went that bad so quick in the basement?I heard it started in the Boiler? And the lack of water... Im "hoping" (using that term kinda loosely) that the partial collapse or the heavy fire caused the loss of water. The alternative is not something im willing to consider/discuss until the grieving period is long passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:33 AM, sbos_wx said: How do you think it went that bad so quick in the basement?I heard it started in the Boiler? And the lack of water...big boiler fire,backdraft,no water,disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:35 AM, BxEngine said: Im "hoping" (using that term kinda loosely) that the partial collapse or the heavy fire caused the loss of water. The alternative is not something im willing to consider/discuss until the grieving period is long passed. I know what you are getting at, and it won't be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:33 AM, sbos_wx said: How do you think it went that bad so quick in the basement?I heard it started in the Boiler? And the lack of water... There was a collapse of the first floor into the basement. Old building type 3 void space....it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 That partial collapse was incredibly fast for an older building. So many questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:38 AM, BxEngine said: That partial collapse was incredibly fast for an older building. So many questions.this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:35 AM, Ginxy said: big boiler fire,backdraft,no water,disaster There was no backdraft stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:37 AM, Allsnow said: There was a collapse of the first floor into the basement. Old building type 3 void space....it happens Damn, didn't hear about that when it was happening/before I went out to practice. They must have said it at the news conference when I was outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:38 AM, sbos_wx said: Damn, didn't hear about that when it was happening/before I went out to practice. They must have said it at the news conference when I was outside. It's in the audio when that say "all members stay off division 1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:40 AM, Allsnow said: It's in the audio when that say "all members stay off division 1" Division 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:44 AM, sbos_wx said: Division 1? 1st floor NIMS bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:44 AM, sbos_wx said: Division 1? Means 1st floor. The wind had a lot to with how fierce this fire was...wind driven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:45 AM, BxEngine said: 1st floor NIMS bs http://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/site/firefighterclosecalls/drills/FCC%20Vol%2010-114%20NIMS%20Terminology.pdf Thanks for that, gaining some solid knowledge here. Maybe someday I'll actually know all of this already. Might take the fire test in the next few coming years after football is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:46 AM, Allsnow said: Means 1st floor. The wind had a lot to with how fierce this fire was...wind driven Also, the rear was taking the brunt of the wind, blowing off the Charles unabated. That's a lot of open water then that building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Not going to speculate or talk any further on this..nice to see you so interested in it jay! Very sad day for Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:49 AM, Allsnow said: Not going to speculate or talk any further on this..nice to see you so interested in it jay! Very sad day for Boston Had a lot of people in the family on BFD, that are still there. Did a lot of ride alongs with e41/l14 , e4/l4 when I was a kid, even spent time in 33/15... Sad man. I had the utmost honor of riding along with rescue 1 of the FDNY post 9/11, that was a life changing night hearing stories and riding in Manhattan. Would love to work in sports, media, or FF. Hopefully one of those 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:38 AM, Allsnow said: There was no backdraft stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 That's wind driven Ginxy not a backdraft. That's the C side of that building or as the public will call it the rear. That's not a back draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 1:57 AM, Ginxy said: On 3/27/2014 at 1:38 AM, Allsnow said: There was no backdraft stop Not getting into this fight, but that pic doesnt show a backdraft, and i think it was taken later in the fire anyway, not when the initial maydays were given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 A backdraft is a CO explosion..if that was the case the above picture would have no visible flame in the first pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 2:00 AM, BxEngine said: Not getting into this fight, but that pic doesnt show anything close to a backdraft, and it was taken later in the fire anyway. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 2:00 AM, BxEngine said: Not getting into this fight, but that pic doesnt show anything close to a backdraft, and it was taken later in the fire anyway.just reading what the Chief saidBoth men were apparently trapped in the basement as the fire raged, at one point making an explosion-like backdraft, officials said. The fire "was blowing like a blowtorch from the front," Boston Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Finn told reporters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Wow, just got home from a day away from media. Awful stuff. So sorry to hear. Heart goes out to the families. Have relatives who are firefighters so really feel sick thinking about what the live scanner feeds were like. Sucks. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 2:02 AM, Ginxy said: just reading what the Chief said Both men were apparently trapped in the basement as the fire raged, at one point making an explosion-like backdraft, officials said. The fire "was blowing like a blowtorch from the front," Boston Deputy Fire Chief Joseph Finn told reporters The fire burned long enough where secondary backdrafts were certainly possible...it could have been what trapped them in the first place as well...im not going to speculate. But that pic probably isnt a backdraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 BFD chief on NECN now using the term "back draft" but who really cares at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 2:05 AM, HIPPYVALLEY said: BFD chief on NECN now using the term "back draft" but who really cares at this point? We do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 On 3/27/2014 at 2:04 AM, BxEngine said: The fire burned long enough where secondary backdrafts were certainly possible...it could have been what trapped them in the first place as well...im not going to speculate. But that pic probably isnt a backdraft.doesnt matter amyways does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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