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Saint Patrick's Day Snow Event II


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I mean the point of winter storm warnings in general. I guess I just don't see the benefit of them for such low thresholds.

It's all about impacts, timing,... It's not just for the public... Airlines, emergency management etc. 3-6 at the right time can really mess stuff up here.

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Temps will certainly be an issue for many. As Matt, Wes and some mets are pointing out, there are some red flags and should not be discounted

 

It could be that the typically favored N&W areas, with less qpf but better temps/earlier changeover, get as much as the southern areas that are expected to get much better qpf -- everybody ends up with 3 - 5" or so.

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Radar to the south is looking really good this morning. My temps look fine and hopefully we get some cloud cover to start moving in before noon (can see some already to the south). Interested to see how the models look at 12z today --- EURO was a good run last night --- obviously, the later the precip moves in tonight, the better.

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DC now in 1"+ line on the SREFs. A bump north from the last run.  

 

As others have said on here and as I said last night after the Euro, I think surface temps will be an issue here to verify warning level snowfall.  We need the heavy stuff to hold off until after midnight since I don't think we will accumulate before then.  We've seen how this played out many times before.  

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The problem with temps is more about snow not sticking, rather then the precipitation type, correct?

850s have been OK on the runs. I could just see DCA stuck at 34 for hours and hours wasting QPF on moderate wet snow that doesn't stick well. That's when the gang in northern MD/southern PA who get less QPF (and supposedly "don't want the snow" -- yeah right) get more snow accumulation because of colder temps. That's also why I'd be really wary of any major accumulation forecasts for south and east of DC.

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DC now in 1"+ line on the SREFs. A bump north from the last run.

As others have said on here and as I said last night after the Euro, I think surface temps will be an issue here to verify warning level snowfall. We need the heavy stuff to hold off until after midnight since I don't think we will accumulate before then. We've seen how this played out many times before.

Good points especially for DC itself...out here in Loudoun...Ashburn, Leesburg etc, I have seen it stick quickly at night even after warm March day temps. Times I thought it wouldn't happen it did when precip was moderate to heavy. Sometimes it's amazing how fast it cools off.

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DC now in 1"+ line on the SREFs. A bump north from the last run.  

 

As others have said on here and as I said last night after the Euro, I think surface temps will be an issue here to verify warning level snowfall.  We need the heavy stuff to hold off until after midnight since I don't think we will accumulate before then.  We've seen how this played out many times before.  

 

Agreed. My expectations aren't huge --- 2/3 inches is fine for me, considering we are in mid-March. It will all melt away fast anyway.

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Looks like the latest average of the GFS, NAM, GGEM, RGEM, UKMET, and Euro gives Towson about 0.4".  The spread has tightened since last night, with the Euro coming up (from what I understand) and the UK and Canadian models coming down.  US models down slightly.

 

Surface temperatures here probably won't be as much of an issue as in DC -- MOS has KMTN below freezing at 03z, and we're about 400 feet higher in elevation.  GFS soundings have us at -2.3C at 00z and -3.7C at 03z verbatim.

 

I'd guess 2-5" is a good guess now for this area as of now.

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850s have been OK on the runs. I could just see DCA stuck at 34 for hours and hours wasting QPF on moderate wet snow that doesn't stick well. That's when the gang in northern MD/southern PA who get less QPF (and supposedly "don't want the snow" -- yeah right) get more snow accumulation because of colder temps. That's also why I'd be really wary of any major accumulation forecasts for south and east of DC.

I said this awhile back...the obs thread will be telling when the NW crew is talking about sticking "already" while the "jackpot" areas to the south are reporting white rain and puddles. I know Matt and Ian have been trying to set expectations but some will still be disappointed. I wish everyone luck though....Richmond jackpot for the win

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I guess I am the only one not concerned about temps. Was just outside, definitely a different feel out there than yesterday. Its chilly, 39 with a stiff north breeze in full sun. I would be more concerned with moisture than temps. This is not going to be a really juicy storm.

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As for the SREFs coming north, yes a tad. Not sure if it means anything. Looking at snow plume means on the latest run, Salisbury is down from 10 to 6. DC, BWI to Dover and north, are now up in the 10-12 range, up quite a bit from previous runs esp areas to the north, like Hagerstown to Wilmington.

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Good points especially for DC itself...out here in Loudoun...Ashburn, Leesburg etc, I have seen it stick quickly at night even after warm March day temps. Times I thought it wouldn't happen it did when precip was moderate to heavy. Sometimes it's amazing how fast it cools off.

 

Yeah, outside of DC is definitely a different story, especially out near you.  We should get good rates overnight...which is the key here I think.

 

Agreed. My expectations aren't huge --- 2/3 inches is fine for me, considering we are in mid-March. It will all melt away fast anyway.

 

Yea, 2-4" is a good bet right now for the city given the surface temp issues at onset.  I'd rather gamble with a lot of QPF overnight than colder but drier. 

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I guess I am the only one not concerned about temps. Was just outside, definitely a different feel out there than yesterday. Its chilly, 39 with a stiff north breeze in full sun. I would be more concerned with moisture than temps. This is not going to be a really juicy storm.

Pulling moisture in from the Gulf and Atlantic. Should be juiced pretty good.

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