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Saint Patrick's Day Snow Event II


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I mean the point of winter storm warnings in general.  I guess I just don't see the benefit of them for such low thresholds.    

There has to be some criteria. NWS responsibility is to notify the public of impending hazardous weather. What do you  think the criteria should be? 10 inches? Hell 2 or 3 will shut down DC.

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I think I say this every event lol. The RAP is not very useful. For a short range model, I have never found it to be very good at pinpointing small scale features/ localized precip maxes very well.

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Ahh, ok. So while we may see .3" or more in qpf, it won't amount to much snow-wise.

That's my guess. As of now, rates at this time of year will make it harder to pile up our way. A jog north would be needed. Or, one of those bands that always seems to set up over Westminster to you to phin could do the trick.

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That's my guess. As of now, rates at this time of year will make it harder to pile up our way. A jog north would be needed. Or, one of those bands that always seems to set up over Westminster to you to phin could do the trick.

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I'm not really complaining, just trying to understand why NWS went with a WWA and 1-2 when I see qpf near .4 or more (nam was .63 for Westminster). I didn't read back to find out, hence me asking.

I'm good with none, or two, or whatever. I'm almost at 68" so if I was forced to want snow, I'd want to at least hit 70".

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So the NAM has brought up the entire 500mb ULL for 3 runs in a row....Obviously probably way off, however I thought the 6z RGEM @ 54 hours looked very similar to the 6z NAM...We'll see. 

If I were making a forecast for this event, I would probably give little to no weight to the NAM. Its had a 12-15" stripe of snow through DC and over the Delmarva for a few runs now. Btw your nickname should be HI-Z. Being a digital electronics/logic geek, its what I think of, plus it sounds cool.

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For reference, the 00z Euro says I should be at 40 degrees right now...I'm at 46.  Euro has us at 36 at 8pm tomorrow and 30 and 2am.  I'm a bit worried about surface temps running warmer even after 11 or midnight if the Euro is running too cold.  

 

Both NAM/GFS bufkits had IAD below freezing at 12Z when it sat at 37F.  Still running warm.  GFS MOS seems to have a handle on temps and they still look fine at the sfc.

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Always a risky bet to make places like Woodbridge and Stafford the jackpot on a mid march storm....some heartache ahead for those getting too excited I think

probably should just leave that one in your sig since it applies to 75% of all predicted snows in these parts

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Another storm thread that' has been painful to read. Some mean and snarky stuff. Moderators should do some moderating. Also, it was full of weenisms. I thought general non-specific bull**** goes here. If you wanted to learn anything about model analysis it was a hard slog.

I think the thread is fine. You are being too sensitive/critical.

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The 00Z GFS MOS temp had DCA at 34 degrees at 11PM and the 00Z NAM MOS had dca at 36.   Mos usually beats the raw model temps.....the surface temps remain a problem if you want warning criteria snow.  Around the city that doesn't seem likely to me. 

 

     I'm very concerned about temps now, especially if the heavier precip moves in earlier at night.    For example, the NAM 2-m temps which have us quickly falling into the low 30's this evening had a high temperature today struggling to hit 40 after starting from the low 30's this morning.    This is way off so far.

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     I'm very concerned about temps now, especially if the heavier precip moves in earlier at night.    For example, the NAM 2-m temps which have us quickly falling into the low 30's this evening had a high temperature today struggling to hit 40 after starting from the low 30's this morning.    This is way off so far.

First thought I had when I woke up and temps are in the mid 30s with bright sunshine! starting to think lower totals with this. 

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     I'm very concerned about temps now, especially if the heavier precip moves in earlier at night.    For example, the NAM 2-m temps which have us quickly falling into the low 30's this evening had a high temperature today struggling to hit 40 after starting from the low 30's this morning.    This is way off so far.

I was at 34 when I woke up, 36.5 now. Probably will get to 41 or 42, but once the precip starts this evening temps should be around 37 and fall quickly to 32 within the first hour or so of moderate precip. I cant speak for DC itself, as the city is a heat magnet so there could be a few hours of non accumulating snow.

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I think the thread is fine. You are being too sensitive/critical.

That is my nature. It bugs me. I expect more from people. We have very competent people here. Is a little self-control that hard? And it is a Mid-March event where even the best forecasters can really bust.

Sorry. Mods feel free to delete.

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Temps will certainly be an issue for many. As Matt, Wes and some mets are pointing out, there are some red flags and should not be discounted

true, while at the same time, there's a lot of cold air not far to our north that will be filtering south all day

it'll warm with the sun, but when the high clouds start to move in the warming should be blunted some

http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_map.php?inv=0&t=cur&region=ne

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It's more the tone in which the criticism comes across. .. Personally, I think sometimes there is too much LWX bashing, even on here, considering how difficult it is to forecast weather around here. And the responsibility that is placed on them being the office that covers Congress, the White House, etc, etc. .. When they issue a warning, it's not lightly, considering one warning can basically be enough to shut down the Fed government, costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars per day. And if they bust a call, there is a potential for crippling traffic jams as was the case of on Jan. 2011. Not saying CWG does not face public pressure as well, but LWX is the one who coordinates with numerous state, federal and local governments.

Amen. A compassionate person exists on this forum

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I went low-end in Storm #8 for the Ne.weather Snowfall Forecast Contest at http://www.newx-forecasts.com/index.htm
Forecasts had to be entered NLT 10:30pm 3/15/14. 

 

Consider participating next year.  Contest results are laced heavily with interesting statistics.

Time Stamp: 3/15/2014 7:19:42 PM
Forecaster: Herb@MAWS
Email: [email protected]

CAR: 1 (not related to Storm #8)
BGR: 0
PWM: 0
CON: 0
BTV: 0
BOS: 0
HYA: 0
ORH: 0
PVD: 0
BDR: 0
BDL: 0
ALB: 0
BGM: 0.5 (not related to Storm #8)
ISP: 0.1
JFK: 0.1
ABE: 0.05 (trace)
MDT: 0.1
PHL: 1
ACY: 3.5
EWR: 0.1
BWI: 3
IAD: 4.5
DCA: 3.5
SBY: 3
RIC: 3
ORF: 0

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true, while at the same time, there's a lot of cold air not far to our north that will be filtering south all day

it'll warm with the sun, but when the high clouds start to move in the warming should be blunted some

http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_map.php?inv=0&t=cur&region=ne

Yeah I agree. I am not concerned really. If I am in DC, maybe more of an issue for the first couple hours. If the whole thing ends up busting, so be it. Its March.

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