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3/17-3/18 Storm Threat Discussion


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Something to keep an eye on in future runs:

6z

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Compared to 0z

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The differences are pretty big. Confluence further south on 6z, h5 not closed off on the 6z, trough positively tilt on 6z. 6z looks pretty strung out when you compare the time steps you posted.
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The differences are pretty big. Confluence further south on 6z, h5 not closed off on the 6z, trough positively tilt on 6z. 6z looks pretty strung out when you compare the time steps you posted.

 

6z GFS looks similar to the 0z Euro. Still holding back alot of energy. But a H5 cut-off low in the Gulf is worse, in this setup.

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Lot more energy out ahead of it compared to the globals, the NAM is way overdone, but RGEM looks good to me for a GGEM-like solution. 

It's a sheared out mess ahead of the energy that is hanging back, which is the problem. Hopefully things turn around today....

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We can still do ok with energy hanging back like we saw on 3/19/92 as long as the lead low is strong enough

to get farther north instead of having too much confluence to the north with a more suppressed storm.

That was the last time NYC saw a warning level snow event so late in the season.

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1992/us0319.php

That storm was forecast to change to rain and never did

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Some people are unnecessarily panicking over the sheered out models, trends were still great overnight and the SREF's delivered a top end MECS runs as well

When you consider where the nam was with the last sheared south event at this time frame it was way south of where it is now as was the GGEM I'm not sure NYC will be the bullseye but I highly doubt we are shutout either

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Some people are unnecessarily panicking over the sheered out models, trends were still great overnight and the SREF's delivered a top end MECS runs as well

I wouldn't say unnecessarily. If you want a light to moderate event the gfs and euro have that and the other models could certaintly trend that direction.

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When you consider where the nam was with the last sheared south event at this time frame it was way south of where it is now as was the GGEM I'm not sure NYC will be the bullseye but I highly doubt we are shutout either

Guess we'll see today and tommorow. Would be nice to get a major event to cap off what has been an historic winter in east overall

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This should not be a repeat, its a different setup. I love the connection to gulf stream, enlongared strong trough(as the NAM depicts). NAM picks up on the mesoscale-like feautures, since we have gulf moisture, should get some convection if the NAM is right.

I do understand why everyone is highly critical. Dont think the NWS wants to bust twice in less then a month.

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This should not be a repeat, its a different setup. I love the connection to gulf stream, enlongared strong trough(as the NAM depicts). NAM picks up on the mesoscale-like feautures, since we have gulf moisture, should get some convection if the NAM is right.

I do understand why everyone is highly critical. Dont think the NWS wants to bust twice in less then a month.

By this point in that storm forecasts were out for 6-12"..all kinds of snow maps circulating..hype city. This one has been pretty tempered thus far (which is a good thing..no sense sounding the alarms just yet)

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Some people are unnecessarily panicking over the sheered out models, trends were still great overnight and the SREF's delivered a top end MECS runs as well

Tempered caution with reasoning......let's commence the collective positive thinking for today's model runs and hope that luck is on our side.

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By this point in that storm forecasts were out for 6-12"..all kinds of snow maps circulating..hype city. This one has been pretty tempered thus far (which is a good thing..no sense sounding the alarms just yet)

Models by now were starting to trend south and the ggem and nam went way south and sheared out by now and the globals were steadily cutting back.

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The 6-12"+ forecasts for March 3rd came out Thursday afternoon and evening runs of the GFS and ECMWF showing. So far we have seen either model show that much, for this storm. Too many jumped on those solutions.

Its quite the opposite and on the same token i can see why the NWS offices are treading lightly here. The GFS/ EURO are still leaving a good bit of energy behind compared to the other globals and hi-res models
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