nzucker Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Euro looks to have 10-12" for most north of the NY/NJ line... Once into Jersey the totals drop quickly How much for Westchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 How much for Westchester? 6-8" per the Euro.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENYsnow Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 How much for Westchester? .9–1" liquid.. gets to 0C at 850 briefly so probably pingers for a bit. I wouldn't trust the snowfall algorithms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 6-8" per the Euro.. Thanks...going to be a huge gradient between here and the City, as usual with SWFE. Trend towards warmer is definitely a concern, especially in suburbs where ice might be a larger problem now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Thanks...going to be a huge gradient between here and the City, as usual with SWFE. Trend towards warmer is definitely a concern, especially in suburbs where ice might be a larger problem now Yeah from lower westchester to southern bk you might go from 6" to bare ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 This page has some cool stuff. credit to doorman for linking it http://preview.weather.gov/graphical/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 This refresher to the pack can't come soon enough to clean up the snow in my yard, a good portion of which is now covered in pine needles thanks to the winds on Friday night and Saturday. Or course it helps that it looks to be the biggest snowfall of the season so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Those pine needles will accelerate snowmelt in the spring (or whenever they are sufficiently exposed.) The darker color becomes warmer in the sun and melts the snow around it faster than cleaner snow. Out west if there is a big windstorm in the desert during the winter and it transports a lot of dust into the mts there will be a dark layer in the snowpack. When that layer gets exposed there is a noticeable, sometimes almost immediate degradation of the snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Those pine needles will accelerate snowmelt in the spring (or whenever they are sufficiently exposed.) The darker color becomes warmer in the sun and melts the snow around it faster than cleaner snow. Out west if there is a big windstorm in the desert during the winter and it transports a lot of dust into the mts there will be a dark layer in the snowpack. When that layer gets exposed there is a noticeable, sometimes almost immediate degradation of the snowpack. Yep, pine needles will do that. What helps me a bit is that the row of pine trees is on the north side of my yard so the needles collect on the north facing slope of my front yard. There is also a row of maples on that side of the house so even in winter it's the shady part of the yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well, if they're on a northerly aspect they can actually insulate the snow and help it to last longer in the spring. An air pocket will form under a dense layer of needles and the snow underneath will get a nice preserving crust on it. Happens all the time in Tahoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You can see that Albany is thinking the mixing goes further north as they have 8-10" in southern Dutchess and Ulster Counties before the 10-14" range further north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well, if they're on a northerly aspect they can actually insulate the snow and help it to last longer in the spring. An air pocket will form under a dense layer of needles and the snow underneath will get a nice preserving crust on it. Happens all the time in Tahoe.Interesting. I just thought that snow hung on longer in my yard strictly due to being on the north slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsterCountySnowZ Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Light snow shower falling here at West Point, glad infer off today at 5 I think West Point changes to sleet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 That's obviously part of it. Go out there in the spring and take a look, I bet that the areas under the densest cover will be slightly deeper and the column underneath will be a little bit drier snow. The snow will have turned more grainy in more exposed areas and should have a more crystalline structure under the protected areas. The larger grains have more room for air to move so it warms more quickly. It's the bits of knowledge gained from time in the backcountry that can save your life if you can spot avy prone zones early. These same tidbits also make me feel like a nerd when I explain them to people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycemt123 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My wife and I are coming back from Florida today (I have a sunburn!). What's the timing for Rockland county? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My wife and I are coming back from Florida today (I have a sunburn!). What's the timing for Rockland county? Probably not until after the game, but i thinj some of the short term models had a moderate line of snow in the late evening tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycemt123 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Probably not until after the game, but i thinj some of the short term models had a moderate line of snow in the late evening tonight.Hmm. Should be interesting. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 That's obviously part of it. Go out there in the spring and take a look, I bet that the areas under the densest cover will be slightly deeper and the column underneath will be a little bit drier snow. The snow will have turned more grainy in more exposed areas and should have a more crystalline structure under the protected areas. The larger grains have more room for air to move so it warms more quickly. It's the bits of knowledge gained from time in the backcountry that can save your life if you can spot avy prone zones early. These same tidbits also make me feel like a nerd when I explain them to people Good stuff, thanks for the info. I think any of us in here get our nerd on from time to time, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Hmm. Should be interesting. Thanks! Good luck. Dunno what airport youre coming into, but if it is already snowing, drive as far away from the palisades parkway as humanly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Just went over my snowfall totals since it's the first of the month. January came in +4.4" for me in snowfall. My annual total to date is 26.0" with an average of 23.5" at this point so you can see I'm slightly above normal here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The NWS updated the following page with links to the surrounding areas. Pretty handy. Nice job. http://www.weather.gov/okx/stormtotalsnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My wife and I are coming back from Florida today (I have a sunburn!). What's the timing for Rockland county? I'd expect the snow to start about 6:00 p.m. there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The NWS updated the following page with links to the surrounding areas. Pretty handy. Nice job. http://www.weather.gov/okx/stormtotalsnow Nice find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycemt123 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Good luck. Dunno what airport youre coming into, but if it is already snowing, drive as far away from the palisades parkway as humanly possible.EWR I'll stick to I-95 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlsterCountySnowZ Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Yanks says we will only see 6:1 ratios, I don't buy that for one second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Yep, pine needles will do that. What helps me a bit is that the row of pine trees is on the north side of my yard so the needles collect on the north facing slope of my front yard. There is also a row of maples on that side of the house so even in winter it's the shady part of the yard. Rob, I had a row of full grown tall pine trees on each side of my house. They were there for over 50 years. Then came Hurricane Sandy. Around 9:30PM, the night of the storm, I heard TREMENDOUS gusts of wind outside & the closed garage door started banging back & forth like someone was hitting it from the outside with their fist. Then the power went out. It quieted down a few seconds after the power went out. I switched the emergency latch on the garage door and opened it manually & the electric wire to the house was in the driveway entangled with the top of one of the pine trees. On the other side of the house, the tree closest to the road was partially uprooted, with the top leaning against the electric wires on the phone poll, with a red ball of fire where the tree was meeting the wire. Across the street, my neighbor had one of the same age trees, and it fell as well. In my backyard an apple tree was partially uprooted & leaning against the house. Central Hudson cut the power to the whole neighborhood, the firetrucks put out the fire and I went in the backyard with an axe to cut the apple tree away from the house in the pouring rain. The next day I called an electrician and he said he is surprised the whole house didnt burn down as the electical box was ripped from the side of the house & the main wires going into the circuit breaker box were partially ripped out. That was Oct 29, 2012. By Thanksgiving, I had every one of the pine trees removed from around my house as I wasnt sure the integrity of the trees where they met the ground (were the roots partially damaged just under the ground & I just couldnt see it). I really miss those trees & the great shade they gave the driveway during the summer afternoons, as well as the ones in front of the house. The ones on the other side of the property were great for balancing off the view of the house from the road. But, I had no other choice but to take them down. I told you this story just as a warning that although pine trees seem strong & really able to handle wind well, there is a point where they will snap from the top, OR, just uproot themselves from broken roots below the ground (which is what happened to the tree that caught on fire from falling onto the live electric wires on the pole). Hope all stays well with your trees. Mine lasted 50+ years. They were supposedly ones bought from a nursery by the original owner of the house when it was built. Hopefully yours will last another 100+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Rob, I had a row of full grown tall pine trees on each side of my house. They were there for over 50 years. Then came Hurricane Sandy. Around 9:30PM, the night of the storm, I heard TREMENDOUS gusts of wind outside & the closed garage door started banging back & forth like someone was hitting it from the outside with their fist. Then the power went out. It quieted down a few seconds after the power went out. I switched the emergency latch on the garage door and opened it manually & the electric wire to the house was in the driveway entangled with the top of one of the pine trees. On the other side of the house, the tree closest to the road was partially uprooted, with the top leaning against the electric wires on the phone poll, with a red ball of fire where the tree was meeting the wire. Across the street, my neighbor had one of the same age trees, and it fell as well. In my backyard an apple tree was partially uprooted & leaning against the house. Central Hudson cut the power to the whole neighborhood, the firetrucks put out the fire and I went in the backyard with an axe to cut the apple tree away from the house in the pouring rain. The next day I called an electrician and he said he is surprised the whole house didnt burn down as the electical box was ripped from the side of the house & the main wires going into the circuit breaker box were partially ripped out. That was Oct 29, 2012. By Thanksgiving, I had every one of the pine trees removed from around my house as I wasnt sure the integrity of the trees where they met the ground (were the roots partially damaged just under the ground & I just couldnt see it). I really miss those trees & the great shade they gave the driveway during the summer afternoons, as well as the ones in front of the house. The ones on the other side of the property were great for balancing off the view of the house from the road. But, I had no other choice but to take them down. I told you this story just as a warning that although pine trees seem strong & really able to handle wind well, there is a point where they will snap from the top, OR, just uproot themselves from broken roots below the ground (which is what happened to the tree that caught on fire from falling onto the live electric wires on the pole). Hope all stays well with your trees. Mine lasted 50+ years. They were supposedly ones bought from a nursery by the original owner of the house when it was built. Hopefully yours will last another 100+. Wow, that's quite the story. Cutting threes down isn't an option for me as it isnt my call since I live in a park. Luckily they are far enough away that if they come down they will miss the house but will take out my power line for sure. I was able to get too old dying maples cut down last August. A month later there was an intense wet microburst here, it took down dozens of trees in the park. The damage in my yard was bad enough. I can only imagine what it would have looked like of those two maples had not been cut down a moth earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Yanks says we will only see 6:1 ratios, I don't buy that for one secondThat's halfway believable if you include sleet. When it snows I don't see ratios getting much worse than 10:1 in the interior... snow growth above the lower-mid levels still looks ok and there should be good aggregation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Wow, that's quite the story. Cutting threes down isn't an option for me as it isnt my call since I live in a park. Luckily they are far enough away that if they come down they will miss the house but will take out my power line for sure. I was able to get too old dying maples cut down last August. A month later there was an intense wet microburst here, it took down dozens of trees in the park. The damage in my yard was bad enough. I can only imagine what it would have looked like of those two maples had not been cut down a moth earlier. Great timing with the maple tree cutting. This sorta stuff seems like it only happens to other people. ...until it happens to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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