tamarack Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I have seen that gyx map pull out the 14-18 and 18-24's so many times to get burned, they dont really go conservative on totals much. Easternmost jack on that map includes my area - would love to believe it. QPF should be there, so the results would depend on ratios and possible northerly push of the warm layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Same here (Thornton) although I've been in the 14-18 on nearly every map. This one actually has 18-24 less than 5 miles away. Not sure what Kev was talking about this not looking good for NH. Most of the state is above a foot. I put it in perspective, I ride the 8-10 14-18" since i know the contours go in those increments, Then i would say its 10-14" here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Several times during our big wound up storms it verified too warm at mid levels, Jan 11 being the one I remember best. Not when it tracks the 850 over Watertown though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Easternmost jack on that map includes my area - would love to believe it. QPF should be there, so the results would depend on ratios and possible northerly push of the warm layer. You certainly are going to have the qpf coming to back it up it seems, Congrats by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Pittsburg NH guy has a webcam setup showing his snow stake. That will get buried...they will get crushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Ya this time, perhaps. I dont recall seeing them under in a event 90% of time (this winter) To be honest you have to forecast the available guidance, but this was the winter to pick the under on the northern tier. Other winters they might have been too low with those forecasts. But nothing about any the BTV or GYX forecasts has seemed unreasonable at the time given model guidance...though there were some systems that came in on the under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Euro is close to a mess for Brian. It gets a warm punch in above 950 it appears while the surface is below 32, but 20-30 miles north is all snow. This is for about 4-6 hrs or so. I haven't had time to dig too deeply, but the 850-700 critical thickness line is literally 20 miles north of the 0C isotherm at 850. So the sleet/snow line is not too far off from your 850mb 0C isotherm perhaps. Somehow I feel like those CAD spots may be a tad cooler than that at 850.I think the writing is on the wall. I have no faith in the NCEP suite right now. I need a quick TD, onside kick recovery, and then another quick TD in under 2 minutes and we know that never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Pittsburg NH guy has a webcam setup showing his snow stake. That will get buried...they will get crushed. It's sort of like Mother Nature is lining up the axis that was left out of a bunch of events this winter and said, "here ya go." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Same here (Thornton) although I've been in the 14-18 on nearly every map. This one actually has 18-24 less than 5 miles away. Not sure what Kev was talking about this not looking good for NH. Most of the state is above a foot. its an awesome storm for VT NH Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think the writing is on the wall. I have no faith in the NCEP suite right now. I need a quick TD, onside kick recovery, and then another quick TD in under 2 minutes and we know that never happens. Most of us would kill to be in your position..please... 6-8 inches of snow with sleet and zr in the middle. Where the F do i sign up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Latest from BTV StormTotalSnowFcst.png StormTotalSnowFcstZoomUR.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I just can't believe how warm it feels outside. I know it was forecast but doesn't feel like it will be 20s and snowing tomorrow. It's 40F straight to 1,000ft with a lot of afternoon melting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Pittsburg NH guy has a webcam setup showing his snow stake. That will get buried...they will get crushed.Linky?I think BOX will decrease their map again in a few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I just can't believe how warm it feels outside. I know it was forecast but doesn't feel like it will be 20s and snowing tomorrow. It's 40F straight to 1,000ft with a lot of afternoon melting now.My car thermo read 56F most of the ride homeBackyard thermo reads 49.3F Warm. Muddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think the writing is on the wall. I have no faith in the NCEP suite right now. I need a quick TD, onside kick recovery, and then another quick TD in under 2 minutes and we know that never happens. For what though? Warning criteria? You should still be good for 6" or so I would think? I should finally beat you on a storm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think the writing is on the wall. I have no faith in the NCEP suite right now. I need a quick TD, onside kick recovery, and then another quick TD in under 2 minutes and we know that never happens.is it only NCEP though? Euro appears to be a NW outlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 You may be able to factor in the models perhaps underestimating the cold push south, but the temps aloft are going to be a tough one. I know you and Will discussed this earlier ... and I did yesterday, too, but since this wave is open and tilted, some icing perhaps over a narrow range. This hits a good deal at night, which for this time of year is interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Euro ensemble 850mb T mean is a smidge cooler than op run. Probably a decent signal for Brian's area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 John, Tip of the cap for seeing this a week plus out Not a good storm for me but a big one nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 High bust potential for me on the south side of my headlines. But I made a call, with even the Euro showing big time sleet sounding versus rain/ZR. It's basically a 50/50 blend of the Euro and NAM thicknesses. For what it's worth, I did note that all guidance initialized too warm aloft when compared to actual soundings. Could be a saving grace for some on the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Euro ensemble 850mb T mean is a smidge cooler than op run. Probably a decent signal for Brian's area. Yeah that's probably a big difference from him to Wxeye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 High bust potential for me on the south side of my headlines. But I made a call, with even the Euro showing big time sleet sounding versus rain/ZR. It's basically a 50/50 blend of the Euro and NAM thicknesses. For what it's worth, I did note that all guidance initialized too warm aloft when compared to actual soundings. Could be a saving grace for some on the edge. Seems like the lower 2500' cold push may be underestimated a bit too on the models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Yeah that's probably a big difference from him to Wxeye. I have to say I'm also terrible at NH geography. I probably couldn't look at a map and figure out where LCI, MHT, and CON are. I pretty much know EEN and PSM... I've been to ME and VT so mcuh more than NH. I do think you're going to see an area that straddles the fence for quite sometime. That some serious lift along the 850-700mb front. I'd hedge a bit colder than the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 is it only NCEP though? Euro appears to be a NW outlierGGEM/RGEM...ukie didn't look too bad I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Most of us would kill to be in your position..please... 6-8 inches of snow with sleet and zr in the middle. Where the F do i sign upyea,he's Jackpot fetishing heavier than I ever recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I have to say I'm also terrible at NH geography. I probably couldn't look at a map and figure out where LCI, MHT, and CON are. I pretty much know EEN and PSM... I've been to ME and VT so mcuh more than NH. I do think you're going to see an area that straddles the fence for quite sometime. That some serious lift along the 850-700mb front. I'd hedge a bit colder than the Euro. I agree, man thats serious upglide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Linky? I think BOX will decrease their map again in a few minutes http://www.johnsnhweather.com/wxlargepicture.php It's not even 31F there..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I have to say I'm also terrible at NH geography. I probably couldn't look at a map and figure out where LCI, MHT, and CON are. I pretty much know EEN and PSM... I've been to ME and VT so mcuh more than NH. I do think you're going to see an area that straddles the fence for quite sometime. That some serious lift along the 850-700mb front. I'd hedge a bit colder than the Euro. Yeah if anything I like the euro ensemble temp profile...fwiw anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Lol never thought I would see the day where the collective has to talk Dendrite off the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 yea,he's Jackpot fetishing heavier than I ever recallNo not at all. lolI just think the euro is going to be more right than wrong and that I'm going to be on the wrong side of the gradient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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