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March 12th-14th 2014 potential storm


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What it did last night doesn't mean anything, we're 24 hours closer to the event. Plus, considering the 18z GFS was the only glimmer of hope and now it has backed off of that idea, kinda sucks.... In fact I'd argue that the GFS has been pretty good. It NEVER brought out western energy as one piece while the EURO kept insisting all of it would come out. GFS won in that regard since it looks like the energy will be splitting. Not arguing, but not one single piece of numerical data has any snow except maybe some back end snow showers/flurries for Philly. Not saying the burbs don't have a shot though. I'm enjoying your posts though!

Understood

Think I liked you better as Bryan Cranston...... :lol:

  we will hang out,,, with your crew here

 

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/ens/t850anom_f120_us.html

 

 

 

 

Kate Smith eat your heart out 

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http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/shtml/A_48hrbw.gif

 

 

PROBABILISTIC HEAVY SNOW AND ICING DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
418 AM EDT SUN MAR 09 2014

 

AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS OF THE FCST PERIOD
APPEARS... THE LAST DAY/TUES BECOMES QUITE COMPLICATED. THE MAIN
SHORT WAVE TRANSITIONING THROUGH THE WEST WILL BEGIN TO SPLIT...
AS SOME DYNAMICS DIVE SOUTH INTO THE FOUR CORNERS REGION... WHILE
THE BULK OF FORCING PROCEEDS DOWNSTREAM INTO THE CENTRAL
PLAINS/MID MS VALLEY. MEANWHILE... A SIGNIFICANT LOWERING OF UPPER
HEIGHTS FROM WEST CENTRAL CANADA AND A SURGE OF ARCTIC AIR WILL
SPREAD INTO THE UPPER MS VALLEY. THE PRECIP SHIELD INITIALLY WILL
BE A WEAK ISENTROPIC LIFT/WARM ADVECTION PATTERN FOR POSSIBLY
LIGHT TO MDT SNOW FROM SD INTO SRN MN/NRN IA. THIS OVERRUNNING
SNOW WILL THEN TRANSITION TO A MORE ROBUST POSSIBLY PHASING
SYSTEM... AS A WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPS OVER THE CENTRAL
PLAINS AND SLIDES TO THE SRN OH RIVER. THUS A HEALTHY DEFORMATION
ZONE/DYNAMIC COOLING PRECIP SHIELD WILL BEGIN TO DEVELOP AND
EXPAND. THIS APPEARS MOST LIKELY FROM NERN KS/NRN MO TO NRN
IN/NWRN OH AND SRN LOWER MI OR AN AXIS OF HEAVY SNOWFALL. WITH SO
MANY FACETS TO BE DETERMINED
AND SOME SPREAD WITH THE GUIDANCE...
WPC STAYED VERY CLOSE TO A BLEND/COMPROMISE OF THE GFS/ECMWF ON
JUST 4 INCH HEAVY SNOW PROBS. 

 

http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=qpfhsd

 

 

clusters----southern slant

http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/lowtracks/lowtrack_ensembles.gif

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AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS OF THE FCST PERIOD
APPEARS... THE LAST DAY/TUES BECOMES QUITE COMPLICATED. THE MAIN
SHORT WAVE TRANSITIONING THROUGH THE WEST WILL BEGIN TO SPLIT...
AS SOME DYNAMICS DIVE SOUTH INTO THE FOUR CORNERS REGION

 

I will track it with graphics

200mb  jet streak is not that quick- atm

(EURO has slower guidance)

 

 

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8∏=dlm6&zoom=&time=

 

 

http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/basicwx/99fwbgus_init_2014030900.gif

 

MT HOLLY

 

IT STILL APPEARS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PRECIP THAT FALLS
ON WED WILL BE RAIN, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF THE EXTREME
NW, BUT AS THE LOW MOVES TO OUR NE WED NIGHT AND COLD AIR MOVES IN
THE RAIN WILL MIX WITH AND CHANGE TO SNOW FROM NW TO SE. THEN THE
AGE OLD QUESTION BECOMES HOW MUCH MOISTURE IS LEFT WHEN THE COLD
AIR ARRIVES. THE CMC AND GFS HAVE THE PRECIP BASICALLY OVER BY
13/06, WHILE THE ECMWF LINGERS IT LONGER, WHICH IS NOT A SURPRISE.
CERTAINLY, IF THE ECMWF SOLN WERE CORRECT IT WOULD HAVE MORE
MOISTURE IN THE COLD AIR. THE LOW WILL BRING A GOOD CFP WITH IT AS WELL.

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=0&highlight=off

 

 

don't bash me for overkill.....

I just love to track in small steps

and maybe some of you here ---- as well

 

dm

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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
1141 AM EDT SUN MAR 09 2014

VALID 12Z WED MAR 12 2014 - 12Z SUN MAR 16 2014


...HEAVY SNOW DAYS 3 AND 4 FROM THE MIDWEST TO THE INTERIOR
NORTHEAST...

THE MODELS HAVE FINALLY CONVERGED ON THE TRACK OF THE COMPLEX WAVE
CROSSING THE EAST EARLY IN THE PERIOD, WITH ITS MOST MARKED
SENSIBLE WEATHER THREAT BEING A STRIPE OF HEAVY SNOW FROM NORTHERN
ILLINOIS AND INDIANA THROUGH THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST. A CHANGEOVER
FROM RAIN TO SNOW ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SYSTEM COULD GIVE THE
POPULATED AREAS FROM NEW YORK CITY TO PORTLAND A FEW INCHES OF
SNOW.
A SHARP SHOT OF ARCTIC AIR WILL FOLLOW ON THE HEELS OF THE
WAVE, WITH A LONE DAY--THURSDAY, DAY 4--OF WELL-BELOW-NORMAL
TEMPERATURES FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF THE REGIONS AFFECTED BY THE STORM.

 
 
I say colder for more of this storm ....than you might think   atm
 
 
 
 
 
 
:bag: never thought this visit would create
the dm BLOG!!!!
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Keep em coming doorman! That still would be mostly rain for philly though that 540 line is up in the pocs and 850s in the LV. Need that low to go 100 miles south or so to put us in the game. Temps are gonna be in the 50s or 60 before the temps drop im not feeling this one for us the far nw burbs could get some action though.

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here is your 200mb jet-stream trend loop

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/atlantic/movies/wg8dlm6/wg8dlm6java.html

 

Five Day Movie bottom menu

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=atlantic&sat=wg8∏=dlm1&zoom=&time

 

you can see  how things shift and shape

for example the PV placement and strength

 

once you get used to the levels to look at...... as per WPC disco's

500mb  200mb 

you will never model hug again :thumbsup:

 

 

tip: check off the cube box on the menu to remove the one bad image

 

 

split flow over TEXAS atm

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What does it mean

 

 

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FXUS61 KPHI 110130

AFDPHI

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ

930 PM EDT MON MAR 10 2014

 

THE DAILIES BELOW...

WEDNESDAY...MOSTLY RAIN FOR OUR AREA EXCEPT MAYBE SEVERAL INCHES OF

SNOW POSSIBLE AT THE END OF THE EVENT ALONG AND N OF I80 FROM SUSSEX

COUNTY INTO THE POCONOS AND EVEN HERE...CONFIDENCE FOR SNOW ACCUMULATION

IS BELOW AVG DESPITE THE 12Z/10 ECMWF. SREF SNOW ACCUM PROBS HAVE

DROPPED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE 03Z/10. DEPENDING ON THE TRACK OF THE

SFC LOW...STRONG ISALLOBARIC GRADIENT WITH ASSOCIATED STRONG PRES

FALLS THRU NNJ WILL DRAW COLD SFC AIR SWD BENEATH ABOVE 32F AIR

ALOFT POSSIBLY LEADING TO A BRIEF PERIOD OF FREEZING RAIN IN THE

POCONOS LATE IN THE DAY WEDNESDAY. HUGE COLD AIR ADVECTION FLUX

WITH 10MB 3 HR PRES RISES DURING THE EVENING MAY PERMIT 1 TO 4

INCHES OF SNOW IN THE POCONOS IN THE 8PM TO 1 AM THURSDAY TIME

FRAME. THIS IS STILL HIGHLY UNCERTAIN. ITS POSSIBLE THAT SPOTTY

COVERINGS OF SNOW WILL EXTEND SOUTHWARD TO I78 BUT AM NOT AT ALL

CONVINCED SINCE NW FLOW IS DOWNSLOPE.

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=0&highlight=off

 

 

Shortwave Energy

ATM

 

 

 

 

http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/dlmmain.php?&basin=eastpac&sat=wg9∏=dlm1&zoom=&time

 

looking for clues....

as I track

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000

FXUS61 KPHI 110130

AFDPHI

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ

930 PM EDT MON MAR 10 2014

 

POCONOS LATE IN THE DAY WEDNESDAY. HUGE COLD AIR ADVECTION FLUX

WITH 10MB 3 HR PRES RISES DURING THE EVENING MAY PERMIT 1 TO 4

INCHES OF SNOW IN THE POCONOS IN THE 8PM TO 1 AM THURSDAY TIME

FRAME. THIS IS STILL HIGHLY UNCERTAIN. ITS POSSIBLE THAT SPOTTY

COVERINGS OF SNOW WILL EXTEND SOUTHWARD TO I78 BUT AM NOT AT ALL

CONVINCED SINCE NW FLOW IS DOWNSLOPE.

 

 

 

latest nam looks even colder and snowier.

 

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maybe everybody's in spring fever mode.  

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http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/Atl_tab.shtml

 

 

Bashed by a pro -met

says.... its time to stop! 

 

thanks for all the good feedback

hope the links make it fun to check things out for yourself

 

tommy e

What?  Sorry pal...I liked your perspective of weather and thought it would bring some additional life into the Philadelphia forum.  The bashing is pretty lame.

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latest nam looks even colder and snowier.

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maybe everybody's in spring fever mode.

no we're just realists and know that we won't see accumulating snow south of i78 for example. This is a very warm system and may even involve t-storms. And next week is ots so the fat lady is starting to "warm" up :-) see what I just did there? ;-)
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