Stormlover74 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Oh my they were bad, and in 02 places like Atlanta had snow. 97 and 99 were also bad. I did not use the snowblower after 96 until Dec 2000. 97-98 had virtually no snow. March surprised us with 3" but melted almost immediately. At least 08 gave us the decent February storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chietanen Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Its a bust if you forecast 6-12" and got nothing whether it be 4 days out or 1. I disagree with this statement. If you're forecasting amounts 4 days out, that is more modelology than meteorology. I would think that even most amateurs know that forecasting amounts that far out is risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 01-02 was the worst for me...88-89 was pretty crappy as a kid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 01-02 was the worst for me...88-89 was pretty crappy as a kid too. 01-02 as a whole had more chances than 11-12 did, 11-12 was almost no snow chances ever, I believe one storm in February missed us over VA and NC....01-02 there was a few close calls such as 1/6 where they got destroyed in NE PA and the Hudson Valley and we were 35 and rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I disagree with this statement. If you're forecasting amounts 4 days out, that is more modelology than meteorology. I would think that even most amateurs know that forecasting amounts that far out is risky. Right but if they did put out numbers foolishly early then they busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherFox Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 IMHO, forecasters should be humble & admit to their busts as they will always happen. The best they can do is to learn from the mistakes and see what can be done to not repeat them. Weather is chaotic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 01-02 was the worst for me...88-89 was pretty crappy as a kid too. Talk about busts..in 89 I was teaching in Jackson, living n Woodbridge. Schools gets canceled for a storm and I never saw a flake or even clouds. It was forecast but apparently a northwest wind suppressed it to AC. Didn't get a snow day again until March 93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 01-02 as a whole had more chances than 11-12 did, 11-12 was almost no snow chances ever, I believe one storm in February missed us over VA and NC....01-02 there was a few close calls such as 1/6 where they got destroyed in NE PA and the Hudson Valley and we were 35 and rain. Id rather have no shot at getting snow than watching people an hour away get crushed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WintersGrasp Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Its not a bust if you belieced the trends....4 day away model runs are not forecasts and should not be hugged...the trends kept cutting back qpf as he got closer....how is that busting.....people chose to ignore those trends and go with snowier totals and nws was afraid to jump This is true. Many, many forecasts were based on the assumption that it would head back north Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 The RGEM is still suggesting this is not a complete shutout and yet again its been doing well so far, shows 08-14Z...especially Staten Island and SRN Bklyn Queens will be seeing some accumulating snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 97-98 had virtually no snow. March surprised us with 3" but melted almost immediately. At least 08 gave us the decent February stormwe had a good amount of coastals but the nino overpowered canada with pac warmth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WintersGrasp Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Id rather have no shot at getting snow than watching people an hour away get crushed lol This is exactly what I had said too. At least with this storm.....even those 3 hours away are still just getting barely above a few inches anyway Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Talk about busts..in 89 I was teaching in Jackson, living n Woodbridge. Schools gets canceled for a storm and I never saw a flake or even clouds. It was forecast but apparently a northwest wind suppressed it to AC. Didn't get a snow day again until March 93. Damn, youre old. i remember something similar but later...maybe 97? We were supposed to end up with a 2 part storm (maybe in a way similar to tonight/tmrw) and it completely fizzled. I was a weenie by that point but wasnt a member of any of the original chatrooms or anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the moors in england Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I am going to post on all news discussion forums/facebook/twitter telling people to prepare for flurries. I also sent a 3 paragraph email to Gov Christie telling him to cancel his state of emergency for much of the state north of Forked River. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we had a good amount of coastals but the nino overpowered canada with pac warmth Yeah tons of rain but had to go to lake placid for snow that winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we had a good amount of coastals but the nino overpowered canada with pac warmth 09-10 was a whisker away from being 97-98...it was barely cold enough and I mean barely for almost every snow event, the location of the warmer SSTs in the Pac was also more favorable but alot of people do not realize how close 09-10 was to being a disaster...if we didnt have the -NAO it may have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 This storm was only a bust for anyone that still has a handful of straws between their fingers. And this isn't even on the same planet as the 3-5-01 debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we had a good amount of coastals but the nino overpowered canada with pac warmth warm nasty windy rains, almost tropical. they are talking an el nino next year, so be glad we got snow this year it might be a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we've seen far more snowy winters than duds recently though. it's not like we're hoping to break average with this storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Damn, youre old. i remember something similar but later...maybe 97? We were supposed to end up with a 2 part storm (maybe in a way similar to tonight/tmrw) and it completely fizzled. I was a weenie by that point but wasnt a member of any of the original chatrooms or anything like that. Old enough to remember lots of 70 degree days in March in the 80's and flounder fishing in the Navesink the last week of Feb. And to have seen lots of March storms fizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 warm nasty windy rains, almost tropical. they are talking an el nino next year, so be glad we got snow this year it might be a few years. That was a rare overwhelming nino. A weak nino would be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 09-10 was a whisker away from being 97-98...it was barely cold enough and I mean barely for almost every snow event, the location of the warmer SSTs in the Pac was also more favorable but alot of people do not realize how close 09-10 was to being a disaster...if we didnt have the -NAO it may have been.2/25/10 could have been 3' for nyc if it was a few degrees cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 1972-73 is still the worst winter in my lifetime...The only real snowfall was a 1.8" event that started as heavy rain and ended as snow...It melted fast...2.8" for the season...Philadelphia got only a trace for a few days...1988-89 was another bad year but it did have two significant snowfalls...1991-92 would be in the top five worse if it wasn't for two late March snowfalls...1997-98 had only a half inch until March 22nd when 2-5" fell after some rain...2001-02 did have a snowfall in January but only 3.5" for the season...2011-12 was bad also but the October snowstorm and January snowfall kept it from the worst...1996-97's 10" felt like the worst coming after 1995-96's 76"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 That was a rare overwhelming nino. A weak nino would be good9/10 was borderline strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killabud Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 we've seen far more snowy winters than duds recently though. it's not like we're hoping to break average with this storm this would have certainly helped reach number one, which makes it sting a bit more than it usually would Edit i didn't know 1996 had a storm on march 2...so yea,it would have helped more than i even thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 This storm was only a bust for anyone that still has a handful of straws between their fingers. And this isn't even on the same planet as the 3-5-01 debacle. I have no clue how people are comparing this bust to the 2001 bust. In that storm, I was forecasted to received 2-3 feet of snow. I received 5 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 warm nasty windy rains, almost tropical. they are talking an el nino next year, so be glad we got snow this year it might be a few years. Any El nino next winter will be weak, the ENSO models as of now at worst show +1 which is not terribly strong, they are fairly good these days and most are closer to 0,5C I think its a weak nino at best and may not even be that, could be another Nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 The RGEM is still suggesting this is not a complete shutout and yet again its been doing well so far, shows 08-14Z...especially Staten Island and SRN Bklyn Queens will be seeing some accumulating snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Looking at radar I don't see why snow does not make it to NYC...they will def get a coating to inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 This storm was only a bust for anyone that still has a handful of straws between their fingers. And this isn't even on the same planet as the 3-5-01 debacle. I was visiting my mother yesterday and she showed me an ad she received in the mail using a photo of her house to try and sell her something or other. I got a good chuckle out of the date of the photo: I know this won't pacify most on this board, but March '01 is still the biggest March snowstorm of the past 45+ years in Smithtown. It wasn't so big at my mother's location, but still significant. I have no idea who took that photo or why, but glad they chose that day to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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