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3/6 - 3/7 Event is it this seasons last gasp?


WXinCanton

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I don't believe the nam, but I think the further south solution is more than likely correct.  With that being said at hour 60 its about to tilt back on itself.

Yeah its pretty dry for GA,SC,NC up to that point. Precip develops ahead then lifts into GA,SC,NC,VA Over all looks east and south from the 12z and rainy.

 

Maybe some zr down to SC line along 40/85.. mainly GSO west by the 925 temps.

 

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Larry, wasn't there a pretty substantial warm bias with the modeled temperatures with the CAD event on February 11-13? I think you may have posted about it in another thread (might have been in this one idk.)

IIRC, the models were a couple degrees too warm at the surface compared to what actually occurred. I'm not saying this is the same situation, but if all we are is 3-5 degrees away from ZR I think that's well within the range of error.

Let me know if I'm anywhere close to correct lol :D

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Larry, wasn't there a pretty substantial warm bias with the modeled temperatures with the CAD event on February 11-13? I think you may have posted about it in another thread (might have been in this one idk.)

IIRC, the models were a couple degrees too warm at the surface compared to what actually occurred. I'm not saying this is the same situation, but if all we are is 3-5 degrees away from ZR I think that's well within the range of error.

Let me know if I'm anywhere close to correct lol :D

 

 On that Euro run Lookout and I analyzed, it had the ATL area's coldest at 32. The actual coldest was 28. So, on that run (about 3 days before the storm), the coldest was 4 too warm. Now, on some later runs, especially right before the storm, the Euro was very close.

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On that Euro run Lookout and I analyzed, it had the ATL area's coldest at 32. The actual coldest was 28. So, on that run (about 3 days before the storm(, the coldest was 4 too warm. Now, on some later runs, especially right before the storm, the Euro was very close.

Gotcha. Thanks for the response and all your research in general! It's appreciated!

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NAM definitly colder at the surface. Now has dew point temp for RDU right at 30 degrees with over .25 liquid falling(at hour 63). Actual surface temps will probably be right around freezing so this would be real close. After that it looks like a 33 and rain situation. Still some time to trend better.

 

http://www.twisterdata.com/index.php?prog=forecast&model=NAM&grid=221&model_yyyy=2014&model_mm=03&model_dd=04&model_init_hh=18&fhour=63&parameter=DPTF&level=2&unit=M_ABOVE_GROUND&maximize=n&mode=singlemap&sounding=n&output=image&view=large&archive=false

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RAH doesn't sound too impressed.

 

SHORT TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/...
 

-- Changed Discussion --

AS OF 205 PM TUESDAY...

...WINTRY PRECIPITATION POTENTIAL STILL LOOKS CONFINED TO THE BLUE
RIDGE THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY... WITH A SLIGHT CHANCE OF ACCUMULATING
SNOW INTO OUR NW PIEDMONT TRIAD. OTHERWISE... RAIN IS EXPECTED AT
THE CURRENT TIME. FORECAST CONFIDENCE REMAINS LOW GIVEN THE MODEL
SPREAD. EVEN THOUGH MOSTLY RAIN IS CURRENTLY FAVORED... THE EXTENT
OF THE COLD AIR IN PLACE OVER THE REGION COURTESY OF THE CURRENT AND
PROJECTED HIGH TO OUR NORTH SUPPLYING THE COLD AIR IS PROBLEMATIC.
IF MODELS TREND COLDER... WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY GIVEN THE CURRENT
SET UP... MORE IN THE WAY OF SNOW COULD BE EXPECTED INTO THE
PIEDMONT. STAY INFORMED WITH THE LATEST FORECASTS.

A POTENT MID/UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SHOULD BE MOVING EASTWARD
ACROSS ARKANSAS/SOUTHERN MISSOURI BY 12Z/THURSDAY. AS THIS MID/UPPER
LEVEL SYSTEM CONTINUES PUSHING EAST ACROSS PORTIONS OF MS/AL/TN...
MODELS INDICATE AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP IN THE
CENTRAL/EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO. HOWEVER... MODEL SPREAD CONTINUES TO
BE HIGH... EVEN WITHIN THE ENSEMBLE MEANS. THIS APPEARS TO BE
RELATED TO THE DIFFERENCES IN HOW THE MODELS ARE HANDLING THE
FEATURES ALOFT. AS THE MID/UPPER LOW APPROACHES OUR REGION... MODEL
SPREAD CONTINUES HIGH. THE 12Z NAM APPEARS ALONE IN DEEPENING THE
CLOSED MID LEVEL CIRCULATION OVER NORTHERN GA AND SOUTHWESTERN NC...
WHILE THE GFS IS CONSIDERABLY SLOWER AND TRACKS THE MID LEVEL LOW
MUCH FURTHER SOUTH ACROSS GA AND SOUTHERN SC. FOR THE COASTAL LOW
PRESSURE... THE 00Z/EUROPEAN OPERATIONAL MODEL WAS ON THE SLOW AND
WEST SIDE OF THE EC ENSEMBLE MEAN... SUGGESTING THIS MODEL IS TOO
SLOW WITH THE TRACK OF THE LOW. SINCE THERE IS A LARGE SPREAD WITH
THE GUIDANCE WITH THE STRENGTH/TRACK/TIMING OF THIS SYSTEM... WE WILL
CONTINUE TO HAVE A LOW CONFIDENCE FORECAST UNTIL THIS CHANGES.
ANOTHER EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PLAYER FOR WINTER WEATHER WILL BE
STRENGTH AND LOCATION OF ANOTHER VERY COLD ARCTIC PARENT SURFACE
HIGH PRESSURE BEFORE AND DURING THIS EVENT. AS IT APPEARS NOW... THE
HIGH PRESSURE WILL BE PLENTY STRONG ENOUGH (1030+ MB) AND IN A
FAVORABLE LOCATION (NEW ENGLAND) TO DELIVER COLD AIR INTO OUR
DAMMING REGION INTO THURSDAY. HOWEVER... MOST MODELS HAVE THE HIGH
PROGRESSIVELY SHIFTING EAST WITH DIMINISHING CAA INTO OUR DAMMING
REGION LATE THURSDAY AND FRIDAY (DURING A GOOD PORTION OF THE
EXPECTED PRECIPITATION EVENT). IF THIS VERIFIES... WE WOULD HAVE TO
RELY ON THE MID/UPPER LOW TO SUPPLY ENOUGH OF ITS OWN COLD AIR TO
SUPPORT FROZEN PRECIPITATION.

THE BOTTOM LINE FOR RIGHT NOW... IT APPEARS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME
WET SNOW MIXED IN WITH RAIN THURSDAY OVER THE NW PIEDMONT.
HOWEVER... DUE TO THE BOUNDARY LAYER TEMPS LIKELY BEING MARGINAL IN
THE UPPER 30S AT ONSET... MOSTLY RAIN IS EXPECTED. EVAPORATIVE
COOLING COULD CHANGE THE PRECIPITATION TO WET SNOW AT TIMES THURSDAY
LATE INTO THURSDAY NIGHT IN THE NW... BUT SURFACE TEMPERATURES SHOULD
REMAIN MARGINAL IN SUPPORTING SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATIONS. SURFACE WET
BULB FORECASTS NEAR 32 ARE INDICATED THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING
OVER PORTIONS OF THE NW PIEDMONT AS FAR SOUTH AND EAST AS POSSIBLY
DAVIDSON/RANDOLPH/ORANGE/GRANVILLE COUNTIES ON THE CURRENT COLDER
MODEL SOLUTIONS (EC/NAM)... WITH READINGS ABOVE FREEZING ELSEWHERE.
THEREFORE... PREDOMINATELY RAIN IS EXPECTED SOUTH AND EAST OF
GREENSBORO AND ROXBORO.

THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY AS THE MID/UPPER LOW APPROACHES... THE
DEEPENING COASTAL LOW PRESSURE SHOULD TRACK JUST OFFSHORE THE SC/NC
COAST FRIDAY. ANY FROZEN PRECIPITATION SHOULD BE DEPENDENT ON THE
MID/UPPER LOW TRACK AND STRENGTH AT THAT TIME. CURRENT MODEL BLENDS
SUGGEST THAT THE ENOUGH ATLANTIC AIR WILL BE PULLED INTO THE STORM
TO ENHANCE A WARM NOSE ALOFT... ESPECIALLY OVER CENTRAL AND EASTERN
NC.

THIS STRONGLY FAVORS THE BLUE RIDGE AND POSSIBLY THE FOOTHILLS...
WITH LIMITED CHANCES IN THE PIEDMONT OF ACCUMULATING SNOW THURSDAY
NIGHT INTO FRIDAY.

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THE THE LATEST 12Z/OPERATIONAL EC KEEPS CAD
INTO OUR PIEDMONT DAMMING REGION ESSENTIALLY THROUGH THE EVENT...
WITH A SLOWER SURFACE LOW TRACKING OFFSHORE OF THE SC COAST FRIDAY.
THE SIGNIFICANT PRECIPIATION REMAINS JUST SOUTH AND EAST OF THE
PIEDMONT TRIAD REGION WITH THIS PARTICULAR MODEL SOLUTION... WITH
SOME WET SNOW THREAT DEEPER INTO OUR PIEDMONT DAMMING REGION.
HOWEVER... CONFIDENCE IN ANY ONE MODEL SOLUTION IS VERY LOW GIVEN
THE LATEST SPREAD IN THE 12Z MODELS.

MOST LIKELY SENSIBLE WEATHER... RAIN GRADUALLY SPREADING/DEVELOPING
NORTHWARD ACROSS THE REGION THURSDAY AFTERNOON... POSSIBLY HOLDING
OFF UNTIL LATE DAY IF THE SLOWER SOLUTIONS VERIFY. RAIN POSSIBLY
MIXED WITH LIGHT SNOW IN THE FAR NW PIEDMONT. LITTLE IF ANY SNOW
ACCUMULATION EXPECTED AT THIS TIME. HIGHS UPPER 30S TO UPPER 40S NW
TO SE. PERIODS OF RAIN THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY. RAIN MAY BE MIXED
WITH WET SNOW IN THE FAR NW. LOWS 33-42 NW TO SE. HIGHS FRIDAY 40S
NW AND 50S EAST.

-- End Changed Discussion --


 

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We really need that high pressure to trend slower so there is a cold air source.

 

Im not going to deny... that band of precip on the 18z nam is nice looking. Hopefully something like that will come to fruition but with a cold air source. Right now the 18z nam would be a good sloppy rainstorm in the upper 30s to near 40. With a couple layers on the soundings near the 42-44 range. :axe:

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this whole setup has high bust potential on it in either direction. I'm running 5 degrees colder than progged. Kchs is at 39 as of 4 pm. Came into work at 35 both on ladson and college park rd. The skies here just have that right look for a winter storm. No basis, rhyme, or reason to it. It sorta feels just right.

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18z GFS looks like its going to close it off at H5 at hr 54

 

Its closed at 500mb, but the qpf looks horribly wrong.  with that look there should be more qpf over the SE  IMO  GFS reallllly struggling.

 

GFS did this with the 2/11-12 event.

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