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March 2-4 Snowstorm Potential Part 2


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 PROBABILISTIC HEAVY SNOW AND ICING DISCUSSION

NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
430 PM EST SAT MAR 01 2014

VALID 00Z SUN MAR 02 2014 - 00Z WED MAR 05 2014


...CENTRAL/SOUTHERN PLAINS TO THE MID ATLANTIC....

ONE OF THE MORE UNIQUE WINTER STORMS OF THE SEASON WILL BEGIN TO
IMPACT A LARGE AND EXTENDED AREA FROM THE LOWER PLAINS TO THE
MID-ATL STATES SUN AND MON. THE DEVELOPING STORM SYSTEM WILL HAVE
TWO FACETS... ARGUABLY THE COLDEST AIR MASS OF THE SEASON WILL
INTERACT WITH THE ANOMALOUS WET LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM ALONG THE CA
COAST. A SHARP ARCTIC COLD FRONT IS PLOWING SOUTH AND EAST OF
THROUGH THE OH VALLEY INTO THE SRN PLAINS THIS AFTERNOON AND THIS
THERMAL ZONE WILL CONTINUE TO BARREL EASTWARD TOWARD THE MID-ATL
STATES AND SOUTHWARD THROUGH TX... EVENTUALLY LOCKING INTO PLACE
AS AN UPPER VORTEX OVER HUDSON BAY REMAINS STATIONARY AND
CONFLUENT UPPER-LEVEL FLOW CONSUMES THE EAST. MEANWHILE
UPSTREAM... THE LARGE CLOSED PAC UPPER LOW JUST OFFSHORE OF CA
WILL BEGIN TO FILL AND THE ASSOCIATED UPPER DYNAMICS WILL RIDE
ALONG THE ACTIVE SRN BRANCH/STREAM. THE SHORT WAVE WILL EMERGE
FROM THE SRN ROCKIES SUN NIGHT TO INDUCE A WAVE OF LOW PRESSURE
ALONG THE ARCTIC FRONT AND DRAW NORTH A PLETHORA OF LOW LEVEL
MOISTURE FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO. THIS WEAK AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
WILL SLIDE ACROSS THE SOUTH INTO THE SOUTHEAST OVERNIGHT SUN
THROUGH MON.

NOW DIFLUENT SWRLY UPPER FLOW ALREADY IN ADVANCE OF THE SHORT WAVE
TROUGH IS RESULTING IN WEAK IMPULSES ALOFT TO TRIGGER STREAKS OF
LIGHT SNOW ALREADY ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST TO THE LOWER LAKES.
THIS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH MOST OF SUN AND SHOULD ONLY EXPAND MORE
EXTENSIVELY NORTH AND WEST OF THE ARCTIC FRONT... AS PWS STEADILY
INCREASE THROUGHOUT THE DAY FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO. THIS MOISTURE
WILL OVERRUN AND BE UNDERCUT BY THE IMPRESSIVE DENSE AIR MASS TO
SET UP A ZONE OF HEAVY SNOWFALL AND EXTENSIVE ICE/FREEZING RAIN
WITH SLEET. COMPARED TO YESTERDAY... THE GUIDANCE IS IN VERY CLOSE
SHAPE ON THE AXIS OF THIS FROZEN PRECIP AND IF ANYTHING... SHOWING
MORE DETAIL ON THE DEVELOPING DEFORMATION/COMMA HEAD POTENTIALLY
DEVELOPING. WPC STAYED VERY CLOSE TO THE 12Z GUIDANCE ON A HEAVY
SNOWFALL AXIS NORTH AND EAST FROM THE OK/TX PANHANDLE TO WRN PA/NY
WITH THE HEAVIEST AMOUNTS FROM NERN KS THROUGH NRN MO INCLUDING
THE KANSAS CITY METRO AREA. MEANWHILE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE HEAVY
SNOWFALL WILL BE AN EXTENSIVE AREA OF ICE. IN FACT... SOME ICE
AMOUNTS WILL BE SIGNIFICANT AND COULD CAUSE MAJOR TRAVEL ISSUES
AND POWER OUTAGES WITH THE HEAVIEST ICING OCCURRING FROM SERN
OK/NERN TX NORTHEASTWARD UP THE OH RIVER... ESPECIALLY AROUND NRN
AR.

THEN ON MON... THE MORE UNIQUE PART OF THE SYSTEM... AS THE SHARP
THERMAL ZONE AND ARCTIC AIR MASS SURGE ACROSS THE APPALACHIANS
INTO THE MID-ATL REGION TO SET UP A MAJOR SNOWFALL ACROSS DC/BAL
AND PERHAPS THE PHL METRO AREAS. THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL
TRACK ACROSS NRN MS/AL/GA TO THE SOUTHEAST... A COPIOUS AMOUNT OF
LL MOISTURE WILL ARRIVE INTO THE COLD SECTOR FOR YET ANOTHER SWATH
OF HEAVY SNOW AND ICE. THE 12Z GUIDANCE HAS ALSO NARROWED THE
FORECAST SPREAD... DEPICTING A NARROW BUT INTENSE DYNAMIC COOLING
HEAVY SNOWFALL BAND SETTING UP NORTH OF THE FRONT... ESPECIALLY
INVOF OF THE NW QUAD OF THE SURFACE LOW. THUS HEAVY SNOW WILL BE
POSSIBLE FROM SRN MO/NRN AR TO THE DELMARVA COAST WITH THE
HEAVIEST AMOUNTS APPROACHING DOUBLE DIGITS OCCURRING FROM ERN
KY/SRN WV THROUGH MD/NRN VA AND DE/SRN NJ AND TERRIBLE SOCIETAL
TIMING AROUND THE DC/BAL AREA MON MORNING. MEANWHILE ICE/SLEET
WILL SETUP SOUTH AND EAST OF THE HEAVY SNOW WITH SIGNIFICANT
ACCUMULATIONS POSSIBLE FROM SRN AR NORTH AND EAST TO WRN TN/SRN
KY... WHICH COULD BE PARALYZING.

OVERALL WPC PREFERRED A BLEND OF THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF AND GFS ON
MOST FACETS FOR THIS WIDESPREAD BUT PROGRESSIVE WINTER STORM.

 
 
 
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I think the whole forum sees a coating to 2" at best Except maybe 3" areas well south of the city (not sure how far south some of you live).. A major bust for mount holly, 10-14"? And upton 4-8"? This is still trending south.. Writing has been on the wall for a while, I never gave an official accumulation forecast because I never was sold on any solution til now. The GFS was the only model showing this much snow except for 2 Euro runs, once they both joined other models our luck wore out..

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I think the whole forum sees a coating to 2" at best Except maybe 3" areas well south of the city (not sure how far south some of you live).. A major bust for mount holly, 10-14"? And upton 4-8"? This is still trending south.. Writing has been on the wall for a while, I never gave an official accumulation forecast because I never was sold on any solution til now. The GFS was the only model showing this much snow except for 2 Euro runs, once they both joined other models our luck wore out..

10-14" is for south jersey only

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12-24 inches to a few inches. How did this happen so quickly? What looked like a MECS is now down to nothing. Hoping for a north trend at 0z.

 

 

12-24 inches to a few inches. How did this happen so quickly? What looked like a MECS is now down to nothing. Hoping for a north trend at 0z.

Seen it happen to March storms many times over the decades. it's a volatile month. Could just as easily get an April storm who knows.

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OOz suite and sw sampling will be so important within next 12 hours..nkthing is etched in stone..Blizzard of 1996 was never supposedcto get past ac

 

Seen it happen to March storms many times over the decades. it's a volatile month. Could just as easily get an April storm who knows.

There were calls for 2 feet for days before the storm.

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Don't be surprised if this happens. And this board will go crazy all over again....

 

 

Because we're dealing with a vort lobe and not the PV itself causing this to go to crap there is a remote chance that because that vort lobe is currently way up in Canada in no man's land and its speed and exact timing are key that we could see some sort of change if its weaker or slower than anticipated...people bring up Boxing Day and 1/25/00 all the time, this is one case where we could see a substantial nrothward shift because the piece of energy thats screwing this thing is fairly minute in the grand scheme of things...its still a remote chance but its there more than it is alot of the time when people hope for a shift one way or the other.

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I know it's out of the thread.. but doesn't it annoy you guys that it's been so cold for so long and this storm is suppressed, then we get a nice coastal in perfect position on the EURO and the rain/snow line is all the way in CANADA

 

The EURO Op is warm, but the ensembles have some big hits for late week...in fact the mean for snow on the EURO ens down here in philly is 7" for late week...Def keep an eye on it...If the low comes faster while the cold is entrenched it could be a nice wet snowstorm

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GFS and Euro kept on showing a foot plus along with the ensembles. Fail.

They kept showing. Until they didn't. Consistency doesn't mean much if it ends up being consistently wrong.

Not to criticize the developers of these models, of course, because I think numerical weather prediction is something of a technological miracle and the fact models do as well as they do is impressive. But it's a tool not a decree.

And what about the ensembles? Were you looking at every member or just picked ones you liked and decided two feet was a good number?

I saw a few posts (not necessarily yours) questioning relatively low precip predictions by the NWS a few days ago. Maybe those meteorologists aren't so dumb after all...

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The EURO Op is warm, but the ensembles have some big hits for late week...in fact the mean for snow on the EURO ens down here in philly is 7" for late week...Def keep an eye on it...If the low comes faster while the cold is entrenched it could be a nice wet snowstorm

ya I noticed 00z last night was much colder than today 12z will be a fine line between wet snowstorm and rain if we go get a storm

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I know it's out of the thread.. but doesn't it annoy you guys that it's been so cold for so long and this storm is suppressed, then we get a nice coastal in perfect position on the EURO and the rain/snow line is all the way in CANADA

Love the Euro, hoping for my March 2010 redux to follow this 2/6/10 resemblance.
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