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March Madness 03/03/2014 -------> The EURO abides


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These types of situations are climatologically unfavorable for big snows in the DC area. When you have to rely on a changeover or dynamics for cold air it is almost always a less than ideal situation. Not saying it can't happen but odds are against us given time of year, track of low and conditions leading up to the event...ie milder air. Models almost always paint the cold rushing in with a changeover quick then correct. These single digit temps on the backside will also warm with successive model runs. Not trying to be a party pooper.

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A lot still up in the air, the reason the models are all over the place is the timing between the PV & shortwave in the west. The NAM/GGEM are a bit slower with the initial push of cold air, but slower/stronger with the shortwave out west. So you have a warm first part, but a cold and snowy second. GFS brings this out much faster (6z that is)....and is also faster with the PV.

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ugh I must have missed something. I read a study done that verified that over a one year period the 6z gfs was the least accurate of the 4 runs but honestly I don't care enough to argue this so if that study was wrong fine

 

it's cool -- there's been a longer (albeit, non-peer reviewed) internal analysis done at EMC which does show that while the 6z is the not as skillful (comparing average anomaly correlations) as the 0z/12z cycles the differences in correlation are very small and likely not statistically significant (delta-r < 0.005; no significance tests were presented which is usually an indication that the results would not benefit from their appearance). 

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Do you think it'll be warmer than progged? Do you think the warm air will win? Do you think the forecast will bust? What are your thoughts on the warm air and it being warm?

I think the storm will bust as the warm air will win.  I think it will be warm.  Warm air wins in March.  Too much warm air around.  Forecast is a bust unless it predicts warm air.

 

Were you talking about warm air?

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Euro ens mslp ticked a bit n-w from the previous prime run but the track supports frozen. 850 line at hr84 (7am Mon) runs just nw of the cities. Looks like its over Rockville for reference. By 96 its way south and plenty cold so it's obviously moving quick.

6 hr precip panel ending at hr90 is the juiciest of the bunch. About .25 on the means. All in all they support the op like PSU said. But most importantly they support a pretty nice frozen system overall.

I don't understand all the warm talk in here. Best precip comes well after 1am Mon. . I personally don't give a crap about 60 on sunday. CAA is very efficient and powerful when it gets going.

Not much has changed forecast wise imo. Period of zr late sun night followed by heavier precip that transitions to sleet and snow Monday. This thread is bad this morning.

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Euro ens mslp ticked a bit n-w from the previous prime run but the track supports frozen. 850 line at hr84 (7am Mon) runs just nw of the cities. Looks like its over Rockville for reference. By 96 its way south and plenty cold so it's obviously moving quick.

6 hr precip panel ending at hr90 is the juiciest of the bunch. About .25 on the means. All in all they support the op like PSU said. But most importantly they support a pretty nice frozen system overall.

I don't understand all the warm talk in here. Best precip comes well after 1am Mon. . I personally don't give a crap about 60 on sunday. CAA is very efficient and powerful when it gets going.

Not much has changed forecast wise imo. Period of zr late sun night followed by heavier precip that transitions to sleet and snow Monday. This thread is bad this morning.

 

Yup... 06z GFS and 06z NAM were frozen respectively.  06z NAM was a snowstorm like the 00z GGEM it would appear.  I believe everyone is hyping up the warmth too much.  Yes, we will be warm on Sunday before the arctic air comes in.  Yes, we might break 50 degrees.  But this arctic hair will be coming in fast and hard... and even though we may start as a few hours of light rain, transition to frozen should be quick overnight Sunday into early Mon morning

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