NeffsvilleWx Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/02/25/giant-walls-tornado-alley/5808887/ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Not possible, no need to comment further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I thought this would be an article from The Onion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 1,000-foot walls would halt synoptic air advection? hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New England Storm Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgeeWx Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Bets on whether or not this guy has ever had fluid mechanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Great, we can build a man made frontal boundary only to have it provide lift and serve as a focal point for tornadoes to destroy it as the cell rides the boundary. lol. This guy is a dunce in regards to this paper. ~Sent from a device that cannot speel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 This quote from Harold Brooks sums it up nicely "This is essentially a case of a physicist, who may be very good in his sub-discipline, talking about a subject about which he is abysmally ignorant," Brooks noted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Also, I guess who cares about areas farther east that see their fair share of strong/violent tornadoes like Dixie Alley and northward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I saw this floating around Twitter yesterday. It was good for a laugh, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 You have to admit though, the 2-mile-wide, 1000-foot-high snow drift up that forms against the wall every winter would be pretty cool to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxdude64 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 You have to admit though, the 2-mile-wide, 1000-foot-high snow drift up that forms against the wall every winter would be pretty cool to see. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 The construction will be underwritten by the Graffiti Artists Union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I believe there is a workable strategy for reducing tornadic intensity, but would prefer not to give many details of it. However, for the record, it does not involve building terrain features. It would all have to be done in the geomagnetic field and possibly further out into the solar system. And it would require huge expenditures of time, money and resources. Thus even if my theories about this were some day accepted (not necessarily because my work was accepted but because somebody else succeeded in publishing) then it would take 25-50 years to do the necessary R & D to create the technology to alter the signals and get these storms to spread out and become less intense at specific locations (while similar in total energy expended, just over a larger area). I think this will happen one day, but my prediction is that it won't come in our lifetimes, it will happen around 2080 to 2140 AD. We may need to have reliable space travel to the middle reaches of the solar system to bring about all components of this weather -modification concept. There may also be research underway by other parties who are examining more specific solar-terrestrial energy flows through the geomagnetic field. This would lead to a similar scale of technology being researched for possible weather modification outcomes. It seems more likely than not that the technology would have to be deployed in earth orbit or near space, but possibly it could be deployed from signals transmitted from the earth's surface or at least high-altitude aircraft or orbiting spacecraft. If the same ideas were ever applied to hurricanes, that could be quite dangerous to the stability of the global climate (if you accept there is any such thing). I would rather see those modified to small extent near landfall than totally erased from the weather machine, so to speak. But I think we could probably spread out tornadic energy without fatally disrupting the same global weather machine. It doesn't hurt to think about these things, the walls might actually work to some extent but surely there would then be massive downburst thunderstorms every time cold air suddenly jumped the barriers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huronicane Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I believe this works here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Unfortunately, this idea made BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26492720 Worse, a journal published it. This idea reminds me of the flawed ideas from the past that one could simply pump colder water from barges to suppress hurricanes. The scale of such storms is too large and the pumping would have had an insignificant impact. The same applies with this idea on tornadoes. It's a non-starter. It really is no better than some of the wild ideas that have made headlines from social media this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Unfortunately, this idea made BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26492720 Worse, a journal published it. This idea reminds me of the flawed ideas from the past that one could simply pump colder water from barges to suppress hurricanes. The scale of such storms is too large and the pumping would have had an insignificant impact. The same applies with this idea on tornadoes. It's a non-starter. It really is no better than some of the wild ideas that have made headlines from social media this winter. What journal published it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 reminds me of the geoengineering denier types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 What journal published it? Thanks for the question. It turns out that The Bulletin of the American Physical Society is a meeting archive, so I was incorrect that it was published in a journal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for the question. It turns out that The Bulletin of the American Physical Society is a meeting archive, so I was incorrect that it was published in a journal. Cool, thanks. I didn't mean to sound abrasive, I'd just heard through the grapevine that it got rejected from wherever it was submitted (not sure which journal). Certainly standards for getting papers accepted at talks/conferences are less stringent than peer-reviewed publications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Cool, thanks. I didn't mean to sound abrasive, I'd just heard through the grapevine that it got rejected from wherever it was submitted (not sure which journal). Certainly standards for getting papers accepted at talks/conferences are less stringent than peer-reviewed publications. Not a problem at all. I'm happy you raised the question as I took a closer look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huronicane Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 http://www.ejssm.org/ojs/index.php/ejssm/article/view/141/100 Paper from NCSU Grad Student Brice Coffer testing this hypothesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Unfortunately, this idea made BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26492720 Worse, a journal published it. This idea reminds me of the flawed ideas from the past that one could simply pump colder water from barges to suppress hurricanes. The scale of such storms is too large and the pumping would have had an insignificant impact. The same applies with this idea on tornadoes. It's a non-starter. It really is no better than some of the wild ideas that have made headlines from social media this winter. There was another idea to use sodium polyacrylate-like material on the surface of the ocean... In the direct path of the hurricane. Supposedly this would slow the evaporation rates and weaken the hurricane substantially. This idea could have legs, if the material was bio-degradable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 http://www.ejssm.org/ojs/index.php/ejssm/article/view/141/100 Paper from NCSU Grad Student Brice Coffer testing this hypothesis Any money put into geo-engineering weather will most likely be for climate change. Assuming is speeds up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Would not be feasible to build structures that size. But meteorlogically, the concept might work. It would limit wind speeds in the lowest 1500ft of the atmosphere. Edit: nevermind, the paper said they only found a difference with 2500M walls. 300M made no difference and is much shorter than the ozarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 http://www.ejssm.org/ojs/index.php/ejssm/article/view/141/100 Paper from NCSU Grad Student Brice Coffer testing this hypothesis Good stuff. There are too many meteorological oversights to count in this whole "proposal", it's pretty insane. Not to mention the obvious economic hilarity to consider. Would not be feasible to build structures that size. But meteorlogically, the concept might work. It would limit wind speeds in the lowest 1500ft of the atmosphere. Did you not read the paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kory Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I don't know why people want to completely alter Earth's processes and patterns. Yes, tornadoes and hurricanes are deadly, but bigger problems arise if you start building walls and trying to weaken hurricanes with chemicals. It's all about balancing the Earth's temperatures. I'd imagine if you'd remove those weather features, then you're opening a whole new can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Would this limit southern convection during winter cyclones? Could be a boon to midwest snow lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I don't know why people want to completely alter Earth's processes and patterns. Yes, tornadoes and hurricanes are deadly, but bigger problems arise if you start building walls and trying to weaken hurricanes with chemicals. It's all about balancing the Earth's temperatures. I'd imagine if you'd remove those weather features, then you're opening a whole new can of worms. The walls would cause a domino effect of some kind, I don't think weakening hurricanes at sea would produce any negative effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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