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Hit 44° here today... briefly. 

 

Pretty much only piles left now with a few random pockets of snow where it drifted.

 

Most if not all river and streams are open now.

 

Little tributary of the Des Plaines River.

 

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Hit 44° here today... briefly. 

 

Pretty much only piles left now with a few random pockets of snow where it drifted.

hit 41 here. lots of melting today. not sure how I feel about it. In some ways it was nice, in other ways it felt like I was saying goodbye to a close friend. At any rate, snow depth down to 22".

under 2' for the first time in months.

edit: love that pic Geos.

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South Central Macomb is arguably the worst spot in Michigan for snow maybe except extreme South St.Clair county and Eastern Wayne they might be worse.

What was interesting is south of M59 especially toward 16 mile in Macomb is a pretty good area for t-storms.

Sorry if I missed a better analysis up top, but do you guys have an idea why the severe storms "prefer" the 16-mile corridor?

A somewhat recent example was the tornado that crossed mid-macomb county in August 2010. IIRC, the tornado touched down northwest of the M-59 corridor but proceeded to receed off the ground at around 21mi & Hayes only to re-touchdown at 16mi & Grosbeck. This was really interesting to me as the wall cloud passed over my house (18mi&Hayes) and I was able to grab a pic of it on a old phone.

I was disappointed(but lucky) as I didn't get to witness a spin-up, but the winds were still strong enough to snap trees and even push hail pellets through shingles on my roof...

The reason all this puzzles me is that, geographically, the areas the tornado traveled have about the same amount of urbanization. So it wasn't like it transitioned from open fields to suburn area, so I'm assuming the answer sits as pure mesoscale variation? Is it possible that Lake St.Clair plays a part? I say this because 16mi lays West of the "Lake St Clair Metro Park" peninsula which could possibly cut back on amount of lake influence as there would be more land between any point on 16mi and lake versus points directly to the north and south.

Sorry for any spelling errors in advance; my mobile isn't that friendly with the AmWX entry prompt...

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Sorry if I missed a better analysis up top, but do you guys have an idea why the severe storms "prefer" the 16-mile corridor?

A somewhat recent example was the tornado that crossed mid-macomb county in August 2010. IIRC, the tornado touched down northwest of the M-59 corridor but proceeded to receed off the ground at around 21mi & Hayes only to re-touchdown at 16mi & Grosbeck. This was really interesting to me as the wall cloud passed over my house (18mi&Hayes) and I was able to grab a pic of it on a old phone.

I was disappointed(but lucky) as I didn't get to witness a spin-up, but the winds were still strong enough to snap trees and even push hail pellets through shingles on my roof...

The reason all this puzzles me is that, geographically, the areas the tornado traveled have about the same amount of urbanization. So it wasn't like it transitioned from open fields to suburn area, so I'm assuming the answer sits as pure mesoscale variation? Is it possible that Lake St.Clair plays a part? I say this because 16mi lays West of the "Lake St Clair Metro Park" peninsula which could possibly cut back on amount of lake influence as there would be more land between any point on 16mi and lake versus points directly to the north and south.

Sorry for any spelling errors in advance; my mobile isn't that friendly with the AmWX entry prompt...

If I made money out of MET studies I would love to study the various micro climates I have observed in Macomb and Oakland counties.

 

When I used to storm chasing in Macomb and parts of Oakland I learned to go to certain areas and stay away from others no matter the radar looks as storms approach.  Sure occasionally it would fail but mostly it was spot on.  Of course now I live where I don't need to storm chase much :)

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What was interesting is south of M59 especially toward 16 mile in Macomb is a pretty good area for t-storms. 

 

The area between I-94, Lake St. Clair, I-75 and I-696 is pretty much the worst area for severe t'storms in the region, between the downsloping from the west and the Shadow from Lake St. Clair.

 

That area around Sterling Heights/Mt. Clemens is not bad though.

 

Occasionally, you will also get some nice t'storms to ride ENE from the DTW/Wyandotte corridor into parts of Detroit along the river.

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If I made money out of MET studies I would love to study the various micro climates I have observed in Macomb and Oakland counties.

 

When I used to storm chasing in Macomb and parts of Oakland I learned to go to certain areas and stay away from others no matter the radar looks as storms approach.  Sure occasionally it would fail but mostly it was spot on.  Of course now I live where I don't need to storm chase much :)

 

Yeah it would be interesting to have more information on it. There's got to be quite a bit of dyanmics at play...

 

I feel ya' on the Macomb/Oakland storm chasing. I like to try and catch them after dark at M59/M53 and follow Eastward towords lake. If I can keep pace, I can usually make it near the mouth of the Clinton River(South River Rd) where it's quite the light show watching the storms fade off into Ontario over the lake. I always like to bring a couple friends; but the ladies never seem interested. :bag::blahblah:

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Ran a few errands tonite. It's funny because I actually saw a few protected yards that still had full snowcover and a few that were entirely grass. The majority is grass piles and drifts, but still interesting to see how variable the deep snowpack was now that its on its last leg. Water seeping around everywhere, but we have avoided major flooding from the rain free melt.

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Ran a few errands tonite. It's funny because I actually saw a few protected yards that still had full snowcover and a few that were entirely grass. The majority is grass piles and drifts, but still interesting to see how variable the deep snowpack was now that its on its last leg. Water seeping around everywhere, but we have avoided major flooding from the rain free melt.

 

The best case scenario happened to avoid widespread flooding. - At least at our latitude.

 

Will be interesting to see what happens further north later on.

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Most if not all river and streams are open now.

 

Little tributary of the Des Plaines River.

 

Nice pic, love seeing streams at (or above) bank full. Streams are still largely frozen over here but beginning now to break up some.

 

Definitely have lucked out so far in terms of avoiding major rainfall.

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South Central Macomb is arguably the worst spot in Michigan for snow maybe except extreme South St.Clair county and Eastern Wayne they might be worse.

 

I agree. It's all about elevation. People that love snow and have to live in the South East MI area should live in the "South East MI Snow Belt". The northern Oakland/southern Lapeer county area. If you want the exact spot that I consider the snow capital of of our area it has to be that old abandoned ski hill area, Mt Christie in extreme southern Lapeer county. It's now a subdivision with homes built on the side and base of the hill but the very top is a little over 1300' high but most of that area is at or near 1200'. That's the highest point in southern lower MI south of the Clare/Newaygo county area. It's always been amazing to me how a slight change in elevation can make a huge difference in snow fall whether it be here in south east MI, northern lower MI or even out west in the mountains.

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I agree. It's all about elevation. People that love snow and have to live in the South East MI area should live in the "South East MI Snow Belt". The northern Oakland/southern Lapeer county area. If you want the exact spot that I consider the snow capital of of our area it has to be that old abandoned ski hill area, Mt Christie in extreme southern Lapeer county. It's now a subdivision with homes built on the side and base of the hill but the very top is a little over 1300' high but most of that area is at or near 1200'. That's the highest point in southern lower MI south of the Clare/Newaygo county area. It's always been amazing to me how a slight change in elevation can make a huge difference in snow fall whether it be here in south east MI, northern lower MI or even out west in the mountains.

I can attest to your claim about the old Mt. Christie area as my house is just a couple miles from it.  Being I have to live in SE MI I absolutely love that I moved here.  If I didn't travel so much it would be interesting to take official records.

 

I have noticed it also is a bit of a t-storm magnet too ... :wub:

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I also predict the Cubs becoming the first team to forfeit on opening day

 

Where is my 50F or 60F?  Didn't you promise we one or 5? :shiver:

 

Hope for an over performing day tomorrow I guess! 

 

Little fog and still mild here in Racine.

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True. We peaked at about 4" water content in our snow Im sure you had 5"+. But Howell probably had as deep or deeper snow than DTW much of feb/mar anyway (outside of the open fields up there). Im talking NE of me in Macomb. Maybe it WAS the SE wind, because we clearly had more snow on the ground most of the winter here yet Sunday it would appear there was more left up there. Whats a few extra days of dirty snow though :lol:. BTW...LOVE the sig!

 

There was that one day I text you from Allen Park, it was like 38 in Allen Park and the high that day was 27 in Howell. There have been a few of those SE warm bulges that ate into your snowpack that areas NW of the city didn't have to deal with.

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I can attest to your claim about the old Mt. Christie area as my house is just a couple miles from it.  Being I have to live in SE MI I absolutely love that I moved here.  If I didn't travel so much it would be interesting to take official records.

 

I have noticed it also is a bit of a t-storm magnet too ... :wub:

 

The highest spot in Livingston is 1230 ft I believe, its an old ski-hill in Hartland... Very close to you. I took my motorcycle up there a few times and just starred off into the horizon, you can probably see 10 miles from that spot. There is a sub there now and a mega wealthy home sitting on the exact high point of the county.

 

I have seen snow patches up there a week or two after the snow has melted at my own house. Lucky SOB living there, maybe I'll sell enough seafood to buy it from him some day.... or not.

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The highest spot in Livingston is 1230 ft I believe, its an old ski-hill in Hartland... Very close to you. I took my motorcycle up there a few times and just starred off into the horizon, you can probably see 10 miles from that spot. There is a sub there now and a mega wealthy home sitting on the exact high point of the county.

 

I have seen snow patches up there a week or two after the snow has melted at my own house. Lucky SOB living there, maybe I'll sell enough seafood to buy it from him some day.... or not.

 

www.peakbagger.com has that spot you are talking about listed. Funny you mentioned this, I know the guy that lives in that house your talking about on top of the old ski hill. I was just out west last month snowmobiling with him in WY, small world.

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www.peakbagger.com list

 

 

www.peakbagger.com has that spot you are talking about listed. Funny you mentioned this, I know the guy that lives in that house your talking about on top of the old ski hill. I was just out west last month snowmobiling with him in WY, small world.

 

I'm guessing he paid a total of $600k to $750k for his spread. That's a guess. 

 

Very nice spot, I was considering one of the lower and cheaper spots in there, but kids are sucking my wallet dry.

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