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Much Colder Than Normal March Pattern Continues


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The GFS still looks mediocre for the weekend threat. The source energy looked more potent translating across the west, but it never really amplified, so it got sheared out.

yeah, the gfs loses the system but still manages to get more waa precip into phl and nyc now this run, so imo its a step in the right direction this run.
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Ralph, won't that HP push any storm OTS?

Sure it could that's why the strength and positioning of the pv are so important if we want either a full phase (somewhat unlikely attm) or a southern system meandering up the coast overunning the hp.

If we can get the pv to pull away or split and get the confluence in a slightly better spot, then we could potentially pull that southern system north.

That's why just being in mjo phase 8/1 isn't always a guarantee though I am feeling confident about this one.

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0z Euro has a coastal storm near March 4th, just like the GGEM. Before this, the Euro shears out the upcoming weekend's storm. The PV is really intense on the Euro.

Lol. Why is it always the storm In the super long range that looks good. Kinda like always wanting to put in your second string QB

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Euro likely overdone with the strength and positioning of the pv in regards to the weekend system. There are increasing signals across the board that a storm will affect the entire EC except on the european model thus I am discarding its solution attm and siding with a blend of the ggem/ukmet/gfs which favor a storm. Take the gfs for example...pulls the pv far enough into greenland to allow for the southern stream energy to drift north. Not concerned about temps yet, we can hatch that out later but just know the signal is there for a system to impact the EC next weekend and the threat is increasing:

Slp over the obx...perfect spot just need to hammer out strength and track details from here

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I know its a 6z run of the GFS, but upon watching that run, a piece of the polar vortex was diving SE, and for a time nearly phased with the low coming up the coast. You can clearly see that on the upper air map. That would of produced one heck of a storm. Instead, they remained separate as the storm moved NE passed us. Something to watch for in future runs. Should be an interesting week, Ralph.

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I know its a 6z run of the GFS, but upon watching that run, a piece of the polar vortex was diving SE, and for a time nearly phased with the low coming up the coast. You can clearly see that on the upper air map. That would of produced one heck of a storm. Instead, they remained separate as the storm moved NE passed us. Something to watch for in future runs. Should be an interesting week, Ralph.

As you alluded to we almost had a phase. The southern vort keeps coming in a little farther north on each run and closer to the northern stream thanks to the pv relaxing. Close but no cigar but we don't need a phase with this threat to bring a secs/mecs imo...the mjo will be in our favor if the timing is right and we can draw the southern energy farther north:

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I'm not talking about HECS. But I believe the block/PV retrograde and active STJ will support two phasing opportunities during the March 1-5 period, at least. The second southern stream wave appears stronger and better timing with the northern stream digging. It may also kick the first southern stream wave out.  But that is still 7 days+ away. Beyond that, there may be more opportunities for winter storms. The GFS and Euro ensembles show -EPO/+PNA/-AO patterns, through 15 days.
 

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I'm not talking about HECS. But I believe the block/PV retrograde and active STJ will support two phasing opportunities during the March 1-5 period, at least. The second southern stream wave appears stronger and better timing with the northern stream digging. It may also kick the first southern stream wave out.  But that is still 7 days+ away. Beyond that, there may be more opportunities for winter storms. The GFS and Euro ensembles show -EPO/+PNA/-AO patterns, through 15 days.

 

Miguel, do you think the +NAO will hurt out chances of a big phased storm?

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It looks like the most worthwhile storm of the next few weeks could potentially be around

day 11 or so as the split flow tries to phase. The PNA finally rebounds so the northern

stream can  dig enough to our west as the PV exits so the flow isn't suppressed.

 

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The 12z Euro ENS don't look bad around 192hr for 3/3 - 3/4 either. We might be watch several systems try to phase during the first 10 days of March:

 

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The 12z Euro ENS don't look bad around 192hr for 3/3 - 3/4 either. We might be watch several systems try to phase during the first 10 days of March:

 

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Yeah, the 192 hr potential looks like it could be better than Wednesday and Saturday since the PV finally gets

out of the way and there is less suppression. 

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The long term section of the Upton AFD is just amazing considering the time of year. To summarize: Cold, then even colder, followed by even colder than that. Welcome to meteorological spring? 

 

THE ENTIRE LONG TERM PERIOD WILL REMAIN VERY COLD...WITH TEMPS MORE
THAN 10 DEGREES BELOW AVERAGE AND NOT GETTING MUCH ABOVE FREEZING AT
BEST.
..AS THE PV GRADUALLY BECOMES ESTABLISHED OVER ONTARIO AND
QUEBEC. THE POLAR JET WILL REMAIN CLOSE ENOUGH TO BRING SOME CHANCES
FOR SNOW MID WEEK AND AGAIN THIS WEEKEND.

PREVIOUS FORECAST THINKING FOR MID WEEK HAS NOT CHANGED VERY MUCH...
WITH A POTENT MID LEVEL SHORTWAVE TROUGH MOVING INTO THE OH VALLEY
TUE NIGHT...AND THEN PASSING OHD ON WED. SFC LOW PRESSURE WILL
DEVELOP DOWNSTREAM IN RESPONSE TUE NIGHT ALONG A BAROCLINIC ZONE
ALONG THE CAROLINA COAST...THEN INTENSIFY AND HEAD NE TO A POSITION
NOT TOO FAR SOUTH OF 40N/70W BY 18Z WED. THE OPERATIONAL 12Z
GFS/GEFS/MEAN/ECMWF ARE ARE NOT TOO DISSIMILAR AND SUGGEST A MORE
SUPPRESSED SOLUTION THAN THE PREVIOUS FORECAST...BUT WITH SOME 12Z
GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS NW OF THE ENSEMBLE MEAN...THINK THERE IS STILL
SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR THE LOW TO TRACK UP TO 100 MILES FARTHER
NORTH THAN THE OPERATIONAL MODELS SUGGEST...WHICH WOULD STILL
BRING A LIGHT SNOWFALL TO MOST AREAS NORTH/WEST OF NYC...AND A
MODERATE SNOWFALL TO EASTERN LONG ISLAND AND SE CT...FROM LATE TUE
NIGHT INTO MIDDAY EARLY AFTERNOON ON WED. WINDS DURING THE EVENT
DO NOT LOOK TO BE SIGNIFICANT...BUT SHOULD INCREASE WED AFTERNOON
NIGHT AS SNOW ENDS...USHERING IN EVEN COLDER AIR WITH LOW TEMPS IN
THE SINGLE DIGITS INLAND AND 10-15 ALONG THE COAST...AND WIND
CHILLS ZERO TO 5 BELOW BY THU MORNING.

DRY AND VERY COLD CONDITIONS SHOULD CONTINUE FOR THE REST OF THE
PERIOD AS AN REINFORCING ARCTIC COLD FRONT APPROACHES ON THU AND
MOVES THROUGH THU EVENING...FOLLOWED BY STRONG HIGH PRESSURE
BUILDING SE FROM CANADA. THE SITUATION THEREAFTER BECOMES MORE
VOLATILE...WITH THE 12Z GFS PASSING A WEAK LOW OFF THE SOUTHERN MID
ATLANTIC COAST...CLOSE ENOUGH TO BRING MORE LIGHT SNOW...AND THE 12Z
ECMWF SUPPRESSING THIS LOW TO THE SE COAST AND INSTEAD DEVELOPING A
MILLER B CYCLONE ALONG THE NEW ENGLAND COAST VIA A MORE AMPLIFIED
NRN STREAM. THIS LATTER IDEA IS NOT SURPRISING SINCE THE ECMWF HAD
BEEN TRENDING TOWARD A MORE AMPLIFIED NRN STREAM SOLUTION IN THE
NORTHEAST. ALSO...NWP GUIDANCE HAS ALSO BEEN SIGNALING POTENTIAL FOR
LOW DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE SE OR MID ATLANTIC COAST AT LEAST AS FAR
BACK AS MID FEBRUARY...WITH POTENTIAL TO TRACK FARTHER NORTH AND
BRING MORE LOCAL IMPACT THAN MODEL FCST. SO...WHILE IT IS TOO EARLY
TO HANG OUR HAT ON ANY ONE SCENARIO...IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE
IS A CHANCE FOR SNOW ON SAT.

EVEN COLDER ARCTIC AIR LOOKS POISED TO MOVE IN FOR SUNDAY...WITH
STRONG HIGH PRESSURE BUILDING FROM CENTRAL CANADA...AND HIGHS BARELY
GETTING ABOVE 20.

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At 192 hours the area has seen some overrunning snows and big storm to come after model goes to truncation...looks like it would get too warm eventually and most would flip.

 

Too early obviously to worry about that, at least it's another potential event to monitor.  

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