PennMan Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Two particular meteorologists at AccuWx not exactly known for either hype nor love of cold/snow are pretty bullish this morning about a snowstorm next week, Paul Pastelok and Joe Lundberg. Nice. I love that our torch week has turned into 3-4 days in the low-mid 40s. That's barely going to put a dent in this snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Two particular meteorologists at AccuWx not exactly known for either hype nor love of cold/snow are pretty bullish this morning about a snowstorm next week, Paul Pastelok and Joe Lundberg. Yep! Lundberg certainly doesn't hype, and for him to talk about an event over a week away speaks volumes about the potential next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Nice. I love that our torch week has turned into 3-4 days in the low-mid 40s. That's barely going to put a dent in this snowpack. Yep! Lundberg certainly doesn't hype, and for him to talk about an event over a week away speaks volumes about the potential next week. And not only that, here's the Euro for next week for people who hate winter: It brings 500 thicknesses right on us late next week and another arctic shot lining up behind it. Jeff, I don't think we've seen our last subzero low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lol, Voyager and I (maybe Sauss with the softball bug) will behave and deal with what we get. Just going to be a shock to the system coming back from Florida to that!! Enjoy your few inches tonight, looks like a couple inches is a lock for a lot of PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 My Advisroy now says 2-5 instead of 2-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lol, Voyager and I (maybe Sauss with the softball bug) will behave and deal with what we get. Just going to be a shock to the system coming back from Florida to that!! Enjoy your few inches tonight, looks like a couple inches is a lock for a lot of PA. I'll join you in about mid-March when I want the snow out of the gardens ASAP so it won't be so muddy to delay planting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ok, fair enough Mr. Ober lol. Good luck tonight guys, while it may be minor accums. it really looks like it could come down fast and mess with morning commutes. Will be interesting to say the least!! Keep the obs. coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherman Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 And not only that, here's the Euro for next week for people who hate winter: It brings 500 thicknesses right on us late next week and another arctic shot lining up behind it. Jeff, I don't think we've seen our last subzero low. What'd you say, paper champion? Why don't you bring your pretty self over to my apartment later tonight, and I'll show you a real man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lol, Voyager and I (maybe Sauss with the softball bug) will behave and deal with what we get. Just going to be a shock to the system coming back from Florida to that!! Enjoy your few inches tonight, looks like a couple inches is a lock for a lot of PA. eh, i'm 100% in Winter mode, though my shoulders, triceps and knees are a lil sore, bring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 What'd you say, paper champion? Why don't you bring your pretty self over to my apartment later tonight, and I'll show you a real man. That was the winter of 2009-2010 talkin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 What's the timing of this? I can't shovel so gotta help the wife figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennMan Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 What's the timing of this? I can't shovel so gotta help the wife figure it out.Looks like midnight-7am down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 NWS says 2 to 3am start time for IPT and MDT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Was up at Blue Knob snowboarding yesterday afternoon and eve and there was feet upon feet up snow up there. Looked like a general 2-3 foot snowpack and there was probably even more than that in some of the wooded areas back where the cabins/houses were. It also never stopped snowing up there yesterday with a couple more inches of powder. All in all a great day until I managed to sprain my ankle on the last run, so feeling a bit lousy today. 2-5" snowfall should be fairly common area wide with this coming event tonight with the lowest amounts in the southern tier. Be interesting to see if we can manage couple 6 or even 7 inch reports in the north and west if we end up with a little bit better QPF and some heavy rates. Also will have to watch for a thin glaze of ice in the southern tier with some possible freezing drizzle in the wake of the main precip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lol, Voyager and I (maybe Sauss with the softball bug) will behave and deal with what we get. Just going to be a shock to the system coming back from Florida to that!! Enjoy your few inches tonight, looks like a couple inches is a lock for a lot of PA. My daughter is slated to start softball 3/5. i'm not looking forward to how this will mess up the schedule, but I do NOT turn down snow until the end of March. My son and I are anxious to get on the bikes as he looks to do more mtn bike races, so it mucks up something for everyone (but the snowmobiling has been fan - freakin - tastic!!). Nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfox1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Was up at Blue Knob snowboarding yesterday afternoon and eve and there was feet upon feet up snow up there. Looked like a general 2-3 foot snowpack and there was probably even more than that in some of the wooded areas back where the cabins/houses were. It also never stopped snowing up there yesterday with a couple more inches of powder. All in all a great day until I managed to sprain my ankle on the last run, so feeling a bit lousy today. 2-5" snowfall should be fairly common area wide with this coming event tonight with the lowest amounts in the southern tier. Be interesting to see if we can manage couple 6 or even 7 inch reports in the north and west if we end up with a little bit better QPF and some heavy rates. Also will have to watch for a thin glaze of ice in the southern tier with some possible freezing drizzle in the wake of the main precip. I skied Blue Knob about 13 years ago. Its one steep Mountain. I stuck to the beginner and intermediate slopes. But It has good natural snow pack even in a bad winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itunis Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Was up at Blue Knob snowboarding yesterday afternoon and eve and there was feet upon feet up snow up there. Looked like a general 2-3 foot snowpack and there was probably even more than that in some of the wooded areas back where the cabins/houses were. It also never stopped snowing up there yesterday with a couple more inches of powder. All in all a great day until I managed to sprain my ankle on the last run, so feeling a bit lousy today. 2-5" snowfall should be fairly common area wide with this coming event tonight with the lowest amounts in the southern tier. Be interesting to see if we can manage couple 6 or even 7 inch reports in the north and west if we end up with a little bit better QPF and some heavy rates. Also will have to watch for a thin glaze of ice in the southern tier with some possible freezing drizzle in the wake of the main precip. Blue Knob is one of the better ski areas in PA, isn't it? Would love to make a day trip down there sometime this winter, Tussey's not quite worth the price IMO since I'll need to rent skis. High clouds starting to come in here but overall a decent day, you can really feel the sun now that we're in mid-February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 to me it looks as if the precip is outrunning the models once again... 12z nam had precip entering western ohio around 0z and it is already into ohio... also concerned about how much warm air around 850 is being pulled north right now... NAM had 850s climb above 0 and then just collapse when precip moved into western PA... lots of freezing rain reports over ohio right now... some lightning but with rain and not snow in southwest ohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 to me it looks as if the precip is outrunning the models once again... 12z nam had precip entering western ohio around 0z and it is already into ohio... also concerned about how much warm air around 850 is being pulled north right now... NAM had 850s climb above 0 and then just collapse when precip moved into western PA... lots of freezing rain reports over ohio right now... some lightning but with rain and not snow in southwest ohio I saw the 18z corrected the timing some. Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 there is very dry air out ahead of system. i'm at 23/5 currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmsptWx Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I was glad the Clubber Lang reference got the attention it deserved. I went from page one to page two with the fear that it would have been completely disregarded. Thank you again for restoring my faith in humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I was glad the Clubber Lang reference got the attention it deserved. I went from page one to page two with the fear that it would have been completely disregarded. Thank you again for restoring my faith in humanity. I think Clubber captures the spirit of that particular Euro run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiier04 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Apparently PIT NWS posted this today. Seems hard to even imagine!! "Weather Tidbit for the night: Yesterday's snowfall at the NWS office measured 2.5" out of 0.02" of liquid equivalent. You may have seen us refer to snow-to-liquid ratios or snow ratios in products such as our discussions. A "normal" snow ratio in Pittsburgh would be around 12 to 1. Today's snow ratio worked out to be 125 to 1! That's an absolutely stunning number." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG5035 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Apparently PIT NWS posted this today. Seems hard to even imagine!! "Weather Tidbit for the night: Yesterday's snowfall at the NWS office measured 2.5" out of 0.02" of liquid equivalent. You may have seen us refer to snow-to-liquid ratios or snow ratios in products such as our discussions. A "normal" snow ratio in Pittsburgh would be around 12 to 1. Today's snow ratio worked out to be 125 to 1! That's an absolutely stunning number." That's insane, I've never heard of a ratio anywhere near that high. Usually the best ideal circumstances you could see a 30-40:1 type snow. 125:1 has to be near some kind of record for the Lower 48 haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 How is 125:1 even meteorologically possible? Man I would love to see a study on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdd9108 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is that why my snow was so easy to shovel yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burghblizz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is that why my snow was so easy to shovel yesterday? It was verrry easy. That said, i still wonder is there was some kind of error in measuring the moisture content. Seems almost impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennMan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 How is 125:1 even meteorologically possible? Man I would love to see a study on that. Just looking around at some research papers, 100:1 ratios have rarely been recorded in mountainous regions during calm dendritic snowfalls. I think there may have been some under-catch. Sometime during the early 2000s we had a 1-2" snowfall in Lebanon County from a dying LES streamer that me and my dad estimated at around 40-50:1, and you could have read a newspaper through it...I literally can't imagine what 125:1 would actually look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilpens64 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is that why my snow was so easy to shovel yesterday? Yep it was like feathers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burghblizz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Just looking around at some research papers, 100:1 ratios have rarely been recorded in mountainous regions during calm dendritic snowfalls. I think there may have been some under-catch. Sometime during the early 2000s we had a 1-2" snowfall in Lebanon County from a dying LES streamer that me and my dad estimated at around 40-50:1, and you could have read a newspaper through it...I literally can't imagine what 125:1 would actually look like. Honestly it didnt look much different than typical clipper or LES snow around here. Fluff to be sure - but nothing that stood out. Not sure their exact methods, but I would think it was under represented. I'm not sure if there are other reporting stations around here that have snow and water content as public info. It would be interesting to see if a site like KAGC had similar results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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