RU848789 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Just skimming through the NESIS list of Cat 3/4 storms, I have to believe this week's storm warrants a low-end NESIS Cat 4 for breadth of impact in the northeast US, as well as the depth of impact for 4 of the 5 "major" cities, DC (over 10" in parts of DC, but not sure if there is one "official" location used for NESIS; certainly Dulles and BWI had >10", Baltimore (again, some parts of the city with >10" and parts of Baltimore County with up to 24"), Philly (11.5" at the airport), NYC (12.5" in Central Park). And while Boston only reported 3.2" at Logan, not too far inland was over 10"; in addition, large swaths of populous ares in MD, NJ, PA, and CT all exceeded 10". The one thing that may hold it back is there were not widespread areas with >20", but on the other hand, there was very little area that didn't at least get 4", which is unusual. Anyway, since the scoring is a function of the area affected by the snowstorm, the amount of snow, and the number of people living in the path of the storm, I think low end Cat 4 may be where it lands. If one were able to factor in the devastation it wrought in the Deep South (I think it ends in VA), I'm sure it would make Cat 4. Thoughts? http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/rsi/nesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 This looks like a high end cat three. Could be a 4 as this map does not include amounts in the Deep South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Of course here, this was every bit a MECS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 Absolute - I've seen those eastern region snow maps before, but I can't seem to find them from the eastern region homepage - do you have a link for them? I did find the link below, elsewhere, and can generate snowfall maps for the last 24/48/72 hours, but it's cumulative, so I can't get a map for just the 2/13 event. Is there a way to do that on that map or did you just time it right? Also, how do you copy/paste those maps here? Thanks... http://www.erh.noaa.gov/hydromet/hydrometDisplay.php?event=stormTotalv3_24&element=gust¢eron=BOX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If the early feb storm was a 3 this has to be a 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 If the early feb storm was a 3 this has to be a 4 If that's a 3, this one is a 6! How the heck did that get to be a 3 without 10" or more of snow falling at least somewhere? http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/snow/nesis/20140129-20140204-4.08.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I can't believe the other one was a 3, that's ridiculous. They used like 2/3 of the CONUS to represent it, and there were very few 10" amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I can't believe the other one was a 3, that's ridiculous. They used like 2/3 of the CONUS to represent it, and there were very few 10" amounts. Yep seems to be much more about population so the 2/11-14 storm should end up much higher..maybe even beating out a lot of the big ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 The list of storms is found here.http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/rsi/nesis Sorry if already posted, I thought someone asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Lol @ the 1/29-2/4 storm being higher than the December 2009 blizzard and being right behind Feb, 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Lol @ the 1/29-2/4 storm being higher than the December 2009 blizzard and being right behind Feb, 2006.Makes perfect sense. NYC is a huge population center. Whether or not a storm hits NYC has significant impact on the rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Absolute - I've seen those eastern region snow maps before, but I can't seem to find them from the eastern region homepage - do you have a link for them?I did find the link below, elsewhere, and can generate snowfall maps for the last 24/48/72 hours, but it's cumulative, so I can't get a map for just the 2/13 event. Is there a way to do that on that map or did you just time it right? Also, how do you copy/paste those maps here? Thanks...http://www.erh.noaa.gov/hydromet/hydrometDisplay.php?event=stormTotalv3_24&element=gust¢eron=BOX All I did was take screen shot from my iPad at 72h. It didn't include totals from yesterday as the individual amounts were specific to the 2-13 event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongIslandHurricanes Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 It's a Cat 3 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/rsi/nesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 5.28, that's a whole lot lower than I would have guessed. I guess that's what happens when the few biggest cities are spared unholy totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 It's officially a Cat Three NESIS Score 5.28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Number 20 all time and even bumped Boxing Day down to number 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Got to admire or hate the little white dot over DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 IMHO this storm deserved to be ranked higher than the Valentine's Day 2007 storm (#14). That storm had some insane totals in upstate NY and interior New England but spared all the big cities with the major snows. NYC had 2-4" of pure sleet and LI had an ice storm. This storm only missed the immediate city of Boston really. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I thought as high as top 10 because of the millions impacted but the snowfall totals were not excessive and it missed a couple of big cities so that's probably why it's ranked at #20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I thought as high as top 10 because of the millions impacted but the snowfall totals were not excessive and it missed a couple of big cities so that's probably why it's ranked at #20. Hence he white dots over DC part of Philly and Boston. If this storm were just a few degrees colder, would have been a top 10 HECS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masomenos Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 IMHO this storm deserved to be ranked higher than the Valentine's Day 2007 storm (#14). That storm had some insane totals in upstate NY and interior New England but spared all the big cities with the major snows. NYC had 2-4" of pure sleet and LI had an ice storm. This storm only missed the immediate city of Boston really. Sent from my SCH-I535 I'm still confused why totals from the midwest are factored into the rankings, too. But yeah, this storm had similar coverage to the 93 superstorm, just not the 20-30 amounts that seem important to getting storms high in the rankings, regardless of population density affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm still confused why totals from the midwest are factored into the rankings, too. But yeah, this storm had similar coverage to the 93 superstorm, just not the 20-30 amounts that seem important to getting storms high in the rankings.I believe March 93 was the number 1 analog for this going into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm still confused why totals from the midwest are factored into the rankings, too. But yeah, this storm had similar coverage to the 93 superstorm, just not the 20-30 amounts that seem important to getting storms high in the rankings, regardless of population density affected.That's a good question, I'm a bit confused too because the 2/1-2/3/11 storm (the famous Groundhog Day Blizzard out here in the Chicago area) was huge in the Midwest but then in the northeast only had big impacts from Boston and north. That storm is ranked just above 2/11-2/14/14 interestingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masomenos Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's a good question, I'm a bit confused too because the 2/1-2/3/11 storm (the famous Groundhog Day Blizzard out here in the Chicago area) was huge in the Midwest but then in the northeast only had big impacts from Boston and north. That storm is ranked just above 2/11-2/14/14 interestingly. I'm all for getting the MW in the action too since it's the only other part of the country that snow is not elevation dependent, but at least call it US Impact Scale or something like that. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It looks similar but really not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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