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12z Models 2/11/2014 | Potential Major Coastal Storm


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20 mile tick east would save folks like me, Red, JM and Lbsurf freak and be a negligible difference for folks in your area I believe.

We get pummeled on every model and maybe on even the very likely overdone GGEM go over to some light rain or a dryslot for a time. I think we're good for at least 6"+ and maybe 8-10"+. We're very much on track even if we mix or rain briefly.

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12Z NAM/GFS EVALUATION AND PRELIMINARY PREFERENCES

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NAM/GFS INITIALIZATION ERRORS DO NOT APPEAR TO

SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THEIR LARGE SCALE OUTPUT.

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...EASTERN U.S. CYCLONE AND WINTER STORM...

PREFERENCE: 00Z ECMWF WITH SFC LOW TRACK ADJUSTED 40 MILES

SOUTH/EAST

DESPITE BOTH NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVES HAVING

ENTERED THE NORTH AMERICAN UPPER AIR NETWORK...SOME SIGNIFICANT

MODEL DIFFERENCES REMAIN. WHAT WE DO KNOW WITH CONFIDENCE IS THAT

THIS STORM WILL PRODUCE VERY DISRUPTIVE ACCUMULATIONS OF ICE AND

SNOW OVER A BROAD SWATH AFFECTING THE SOUTHERN U.S. AND THE EAST

COAST STATES. CONCEPTUALLY THE MODELS INDICATE SIMILAR IDEAS TO

ONE ANOTHER...WITH SURFACE LOW DEVELOPMENT STARTING ALONG THE

CENTRAL GULF COAST AROUND 12/12Z AND THE CYCLONE THEN DEEPENING AS

IT TRACKS ACROSS THE FAR SOUTHEAST STATES TOWARD THE OUTER BANKS

IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THEN UP THE EAST COAST.

THE GFS HAD BEEN ONE OF THE WEAKER SOLUTIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN

MEASURED BY THE SURFACE LOW DEPTH AND THE LATE ONSET OF A CLOSED

CIRCULATION AT 500 MB. THE GFS HAS TRENDED STRONGER AT THE

SURFACE...BUT IS STILL SLOW TO CLOSE OFF A LOW AT 500 MB...AND IS

CORRESPONDINGLY FASTER IN ITS FORWARD SPEED. THE ECMWF HAS STRONG

SUPPORT FROM THE 00Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN AND THE 00Z UKMET RUN

OCCASIONALLY PHASED WITH THE ECMWF...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE MID

ATLANTIC COAST. STILL...IT IS DIFFICULT TO MOVE OUR PREFERENCE

ENTIRELY TOWARD THE ECMWF...DESPITE ITS RELATIVE CONSISTENCY...AS

THERE IS NO PHYSICAL REASON TO EXPECT THAT THE SURFACE CYCLONE

WILL DEFINITELY SPIN UP AS EARLY AND AS SYMMETRICALLY AS IT DOES

IN THE ECMWF SOLUTION. MANY OTHER SOLUTIONS SUCH AS THE

NAM/SREF/GFS/UKMET HAVE INDICATED A MORE ELONGATED LOW EARLY IN

THE PROCESS...STRETCHED OUT ALONG THE PRE-EXISTING FRONTAL ZONE IN

THE SOUTHERN STATES.

ONE WAY TO RESOLVE THESE DIFFERENCES IS TO TAKE THE CHARACTER AND

INTENSITY OF THE ECMWF SOLUTION AND SHIFT IT JUST SLIGHTLY SOUTH

AND EAST TOWARD MORE OF A CONSENSUS TRACK.

THE NAM HAS FALLEN NEAR CONSENSUS ON OCCASION...BUT THE 12Z RUN

DID NOT. IT IS THE FLATTEST MODEL WITH THE SOUTHERN STREAM

SHORTWAVE THAT SPURS THIS DEVELOPMENT OVER THE SOUTHEAST...WHICH

YIELDS A FAST AND WEAK SYSTEM OVERALL. IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO

PUT MUCH IF ANY WEIGHT ON THE NAM AFTER DAY 1.

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=pmdhmd

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I hope we all get hammered. The Euro is probably going to come a tad east to better align with its ensembles from last night. I'll be doing the PBP shortly. Please try and keep the general comments to a minimum to make it easier on the server while the run is coming out. Thanks in advance.

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it ticked east from its previous runs at 0z and ive been hearing another S&E shift of 20-40 miles may be likely as well. we will see at 1

Where are you hearing this? Just following this from afar as I am not involved in this storm, but I don't know how we can possibly know this before the run, and especially call it "likely."

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I hope we all get hammered. The Euro is probably going to come a tad east to better align with its ensembles from last night. I'll be doing the PBP shortly. Please try and keep the general comments to a minimum to make it easier on the server while the run is coming out. Thanks in advance.

BTW, do you use Wxbell?
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Where are you hearing this? Just following this from afar as I am not involved in this storm, but I don't know how we can possibly know this before the run, and especially call it "likely."

heard it in an excerpt from a met in the NE subforum. referencing to a HPC discussion. and no it was not a wishcast post

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