Absolute Humidity Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Although this one dumped over 10-15" on most folks here, the snowstorm on Jan 21st 2014 was issued a NESIS score of 1.26, KU Category 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 This is the third NESIS KU storm so far this year. Despite their low category rankings, 3 KU's in one season is pretty awesome. Top 50 KU storms http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/rsi/nesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 This is the third NESIS KU storm so far this year. Despite their low category rankings, 3 KU's in one season is pretty awesome. Top 50 KU storms http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/snow-and-ice/rsi/nesis I only count 2 so far...maybe I missed one? Edit: Sorry 'bout that..see they counted that Dec 13 -16 one...though it was not a KU around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMK6GLI Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Its a fair rating. I mean they're is differing opinions on what warrants a KU storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I thought a KU storm was an east coast event...It's like the baseball hall of fame when they voted in Bill Maszeroski in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I thought a KU storm was an east coast event...It's like the baseball hall of fame when they voted in Bill Maszeroski in... Best glove man ever & I'm sure the Yankees won't forget him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Best glove man ever & I'm sure the Yankees won't forget him... he got in because of one historic home run...Roger Maris was one of the best Right fielding Right fielders in his time and he's not in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Its a fair rating. I mean they're is differing opinions on what warrants a KU storm. NESIS is an algorithm which may be applied to any storm, in theory. I'm not sure I agree that every storm NCDC adheres to NESIS is inherently a "KU". Do you think this would be included in a revised version of the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymengineer Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 NESIS is an algorithm which may be applied to any storm, in theory. I'm not sure I agree that every storm NCDC adheres to NESIS is inherently a "KU". Do you think this would be included in a revised version of the book? What the NCDC is doing does not necessarily 100% coincide with KUs' original goals for the NESIS. So, I agree, several recent storms that the NCDC assigned a NESIS score to would not make it as a KU storm in an updated version of the book. The most obvious example would be the 2/11 Chicago blizzard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 Comparing the other classified KU's this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU848789 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Although this one dumped over 10-15" on most folks here, the snowstorm on Jan 21st 2014 was issued a NESIS score of 1.26, KU Category 1. Minor quibble: the NESIS map shows very few locations in our region getting more than 10" of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I ended up with 12" from the first one, doesn't show it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 I ended up with 12" from the first one, doesn't show it take these with a grain of salt, they're smoothed over. The map for 1/7/96 shows my area between 4-10 10-20 yet we had wide spread measurements over 30" for that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Wizard Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Very similar to 1/26/11, which was also a category 1 KU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Very similar to 1/26/11, which was also a category 1 KU. jan 26 2011 ku map.jpg At least locally, Jan 26, 2011 was one of my all time favorites. 3-4" per hour for 3-4 hours is very hard to top. 16" fell here, mainly in those 3-4 hours. The one time I can think of snow intensity matching that was 12/30/00, and then for a briefer time than that storm. I could barely see across the street that night at various points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn0waddict Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yet another complete yawner here that was a KU. Maybe it's just me, but when I think KU I think a blizzard. How the hell have we had 3 KU's this winter? Personally, I think NESIS rank 1 needs to up its requirements a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yet another complete yawner here that was a KU. Maybe it's just me, but when I think KU I think a blizzard. How the hell have we had 3 KU's this winter? Personally, I think NESIS rank 1 needs to up its requirements a bit. I think this storm was a perfect example of a low level NESIS storm. A nice swath of 8+ inches of snow through some of the most densely populated areas of the country. It wasn't a major disturbance but it was notable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yet another complete yawner here that was a KU. Maybe it's just me, but when I think KU I think a blizzard. How the hell have we had 3 KU's this winter? Personally, I think NESIS rank 1 needs to up its requirements a bit. I agree with you here. They might call them KU's but in my eyes they werent. They were just the typical 6-12 gig. Nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I agree with you here. They might call them KU's but in my eyes they werent. They were just the typical 6-12 gig. Nothing special. This was my argument a while back, but I guess any snowfall around the big cities that could cause problems (usually starting around 5-6") is considered a KU. There's a ranking system so I can't really dispute how these storms aren't necessarily considered KU's since they are category 1 or 2 storm or the lowest levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 They need to re evaluate the rating system. I understand alot comes into play to rank them but... 15+ or bust for a KU! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 They need to re evaluate the rating system. I understand alot comes into play to rank them but... 15+ or bust for a KU! LOL For who? Its not just about your backyard or one city. Some KU storms give us nothing but blast DC or boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzardo Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 For who? Its not just about your backyard or one city. Some KU storms give us nothing but blast DC or boston For everyone. Not just my yard pal. Didnt make any mention about my yard. I dont play the IMBY crap..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 we did a snowfall hall of fame for the area a few boards ago...You can vote for your favorite storm...some kind of rating system must be put in place...last year's February event was historic on Long Island but run of the mill in the city...It would have to be for one city at a time...The greatest east coast storms will appear in most cities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 For everyone. Not just my yard pal. Didnt make any mention about my yard. I dont play the IMBY crap..lol 15" for everyone??..in that case there would be very few KU storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherlogix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 to me this is a very deceptive list of storms. They never went back and reanalyzed the older storms which would surpass a lot of the more recent borderline storms. One that comes to mind is Dec 19, 1995. I am sure there are plenty of storms from 1950-2003 that were close that were never looked at again....i would take the list from 2003-2014 with a grain of salt dec 1992 also would likely make the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 to me this is a very deceptive list of storms. They never went back and reanalyzed the older storms which would surpass a lot of the more recent borderline storms. One that comes to mind is Dec 19, 1995. I am sure there are plenty of storms from 1950-2003 that were close that were never looked at again....i would take the list from 2003-2014 with a grain of salt that's what I was thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherlogix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 that's what I was thinking... being a long time lurker, I figured you or Don to be the first to comment on my post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Not everything that gets a NESIS rating should be considered a KU. KU refers to impactful storms that were featured in the KU monographs. Does anyone really think we have had a storm this year that would make one of those books? Also, for those complaining about taking the NESIS snowfall maps with a grain of salt, while I do think they have some inaccuracies, I also suspect that the people making those maps take public snowfall reports with a grain of salt...as they should. With a few well known exceptions, the amount of objectivity with respect to snowfall in this forum is approaching zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherlogix Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 that's what I was thinking... also, according to the Kocin book, March 2-4 1994 was a "near miss" but it was given a 3.46 rating. That seems like a storm that should be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can't claim to be an expert, but I still think a lot of folks misunderstand the concept of KU/NESIS. Kocin and Uccellini published a book of notable NEUS snow events and developed a new scale by which to quantify their impacts on society (NESIS). The only true "KU storms", then, are the ones discussed in Northeast Snowstorms. It's safe to say that in an updated book, storms like Feb 2006 and Dec 2010 would be included, so it's not unfair to refer to those as KUs (although doing so is speculative/colloquial). NCDC has been applying NESIS as a scale to most significant snow events in recent years. In theory, the algorithm could be used to categorize every snow event, though obviously most of them would rank very low. Like I said, there are others here far more qualified to consider the nuances of NESIS, but I can say with certainty that not every NESIS-ranked storm is a "KU". They are only semi-related terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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