nchighcountrywx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 GSP updated the grids to indicate heavy snow accumulations for the piedmont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltadog03 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hey brother looks pretty close comparing the 72 18z to the 78 12z Perfect..Thank You! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packbacker Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Looks like the beginning of an overrunning event. There's almost always that finger of precip in big events. Backs up the NAM a little, just not as much precip. Looks like maybe 0.25" for central NC, maybe 0.5" down by CLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 CAE starting to give some detail now..... .SHORT TERM /7 AM MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...COMPLEX SITUATION SETTING UP FOR THE FORECAST AREA AS THE FRONTALBOUNDARY MOVES INTO THE REGION FROM THE NORTH ON MONDAY REACHINGTHE CENTRAL MIDLANDS MONDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL ALLOW MUCH COOLERAIR TO BEGIN ENTERING THE REGION...ESPECIALLY OVER THE NORTHERNMIDLANDS. THE FRONT WILL STALL OVER THE CENTRAL MIDLANDS TUESDAYMORNING AND STRETCH ACROSS THE CENTRAL GULF STATES. TUESDAYEVENING LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP OVER THE WESTERN GULF AND TRACKEASTWARD REACHING THE FL PANHANDLE BY DAYBREAK. THE LOW WILLCONTINUE MOVING NORTHEASTWARD ON WEDNESDAY TRACKING ACROSS THE SCCOASTAL WATERS WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS SITUATION WILL CREATE ANEXTENDED PERIOD OF WINTRY PRECIPITATION ACROSS MUCH OF THEFORECAST AREA THROUGH THE SHORT TERM...WITH CONSIDERABLEUNCERTAINTY REMAINING. MODELS HAVE LOWERED TEMPERATURESCONSIDERABLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF RUNS WHICH HAS RESULTED INWINTRY PRECIPITATION BEING EXTENDED FURTHER SOUTH THAN PREVIOUSLYFORECAST. THE PRECIPITATION BREAK DOWN CURRENTLY HAS MODERATECONFIDENCE AND GOES LIKE THIS...MONDAY NIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT RAINWILL BEGIN MIXING WITH SNOW ALONG THE NC BORDER AND BEGIN CREEPINGSOUTHWARD OVERNIGHT REACHING A LINE FROM NEWBERRY TO BISHOPVILLE.TEMPERATURES TUESDAY AFTERNOON WILL ONLY REACH THE MID TO UPPER30S...HOWEVER THIS WILL PUSH THE FREEZING PRECIPITATION BACK TOTHE NC LINE BY EARLY AFTERNOON. AS TEMPERATURES DROP TUESDAYEVENING THE WINTRY MIX WILL AGAIN MARCH SOUTHWARD AND ENCOMPASSALMOST ALL OF THE FORECAST AREA BY DAYBREAK WEDNESDAY MORNING.THIS PERIOD IS OF CONCERN AS MODEL SOUNDINGS INDICATE POTENTIAL FORFREEZING RAIN WITH POSSIBLE ACCUMULATIONS...WITH GREATESTACCUMULATIONS CURRENTLY EXPECTED OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERNPORTIONS OF THE FORECAST AREA INCLUDING THE CSRA. WEDNESDAY WILLSEE THE FREEZING PRECIPITATION RETREAT NORTHWARD AGAIN WITHADDITIONAL POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN LATE WEDNESDAY INTOWEDNESDAY NIGHT AS THE LOW PRESSURE FINALLY BEGINS TO PULL THEPRECIPITATION EASTWARD AS IT BEGINS TO EXIT THE REGION.UNCERTAINTY CONTINUES TO SURROUND AMOUNT OF FREEZING RAINACCUMULATIONS THROUGH THIS SYSTEM WHICH KEEPS CONFIDENCELOW...HOWEVER MODELS CURRENTLY INDICATE THE POTENTIAL FOR HALF ANINCH OF ICE OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE FORECAST AREA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max100 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Those NE GA counties should not even be served by GSP, not one snow amount given and looks to be heaviest there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobr57 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 That map only accounts through Wednesday at 7 am though. It looks like much of the main event could occur after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapelhillwx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Those NE GA counties should not even be served by GSP, not one snow amount given and looks to be heaviest there as well. Uh, that's why there's a color scale. Hopefully most of the public is capable of associating a color with a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighWx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 How can the NAM produce that much snowfall? It looks like the 850 line is way north and west in NC. The snowfall parameter for the NAm and also for those ECMWF runs include ice in it. Just looked at the bufkit soundings, probalby only about 0.45 or so at RDU is actually snow. There is a weak warm nose around 800mb. rrest is sleet or freezing rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullCityWx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Those NE GA counties should not even be served by GSP, not one snow amount given and looks to be heaviest there as well. I can promise you right now they'd rather have GSP than FFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 That would be staggering.Dew points never get above 30 for Raleigh westward. At hour 84. Temps would actually be dropping at this point: http://www.twisterdata.com/data/models/nam/221/maps/2014/02/09/18/NAM_221_2014020918_F84_DPTF_2_M_ABOVE_GROUND.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max100 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can promise you right now they'd rather have GSP than FFC. Not disagreeing with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN_Lover Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 That map makes no sense given recent model runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobr57 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 That map makes no sense given recent model runs. I think the map only accounts through wednesday at 7 am. The model runs lately have been emphasizing the storm later on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfan98 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Looks like the NAM was a mixed bag for everyone! Check out the bufkit data. For Greensboro: 4 inches of snow. .52" as sleet and .38" as freezing rain! That would be an absolute mess. Here's the link: http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/~ckarsten/cobb/cobb.php?model=namm&site=kgso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Here's the 18z nam for cae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Ok it just got real. WOW!! GlennBurnsWSBBig winter storm coming Monday night. Kids will likely be out of school Tue-Fri. Will see around 24-36 hrs of rain and winter precip. #wsbtv2/9/14, 4:30 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy1987 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 GFS looks pretty similar thru 24 with the northern stream maybe just a tick stronger. Placement wise they look the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEGa Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Those NE GA counties should not even be served by GSP, not one snow amount given and looks to be heaviest there as well. gotta disagree with you on that one. i am one of those counties and gsp does a fantastic forecast for us almost all the time. ffc is too far removed and with atl metro has enough on its hands already to give us the info we get from gsp. also, with a slightly higher elevation (although not like in union counties) our microclimate is much more similar to upper sc and adjacent nc we get excellent coverage from them and their forecasts are usually spot on. they updated the amounts and have us getting a lot of snow (and the amts look pretty good this far out) I can promise you right now they'd rather have GSP than FFC. bingo! i would take that map in a heartbeat, and that might not be all we get lol. better hide the GB posts before lookout gets back or LOOKOUT lolol while there may be a bit shifting back and forth, and sure the rain/snow/ice line will shift i am seeing a pretty decent agreement for the most part that most of us will get a great winter storm. once there are no major shifts taking it away with the 0z runs and s/w onshore hopefully we will be good to go. the fact we are talking about these kinds of amounts at this point is pretty amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN_Lover Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 WOW!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max100 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Glenn Burns @GlennBurnsWSB 6m Big winter storm coming Monday night. Kids will likely be out of school Tue-Fri. Will see around 24-36 hrs of rain and winter precip. #wsbtv Atlanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanskip Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 There are some nasty ice soundings in N.C. on 18z NAM run. At 78 hours, Burlington N.C. gets 5 mm with 850s at 3.3C and 2ms at -2.5. Similar soundings for about 15mm worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaur Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 CAE starting to give some detail now..... .SHORT TERM /7 AM MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/... COMPLEX SITUATION SETTING UP FOR THE FORECAST AREA AS THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY MOVES INTO THE REGION FROM THE NORTH ON MONDAY REACHING THE CENTRAL MIDLANDS MONDAY NIGHT. THIS WILL ALLOW MUCH COOLER AIR TO BEGIN ENTERING THE REGION...ESPECIALLY OVER THE NORTHERN MIDLANDS. THE FRONT WILL STALL OVER THE CENTRAL MIDLANDS TUESDAY MORNING AND STRETCH ACROSS THE CENTRAL GULF STATES. TUESDAY EVENING LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP OVER THE WESTERN GULF AND TRACK EASTWARD REACHING THE FL PANHANDLE BY DAYBREAK. THE LOW WILL CONTINUE MOVING NORTHEASTWARD ON WEDNESDAY TRACKING ACROSS THE SC COASTAL WATERS WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS SITUATION WILL CREATE AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF WINTRY PRECIPITATION ACROSS MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA THROUGH THE SHORT TERM...WITH CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY REMAINING. MODELS HAVE LOWERED TEMPERATURES CONSIDERABLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF RUNS WHICH HAS RESULTED IN WINTRY PRECIPITATION BEING EXTENDED FURTHER SOUTH THAN PREVIOUSLY FORECAST. THE PRECIPITATION BREAK DOWN CURRENTLY HAS MODERATE CONFIDENCE AND GOES LIKE THIS...MONDAY NIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT RAIN WILL BEGIN MIXING WITH SNOW ALONG THE NC BORDER AND BEGIN CREEPING SOUTHWARD OVERNIGHT REACHING A LINE FROM NEWBERRY TO BISHOPVILLE. TEMPERATURES TUESDAY AFTERNOON WILL ONLY REACH THE MID TO UPPER 30S...HOWEVER THIS WILL PUSH THE FREEZING PRECIPITATION BACK TO THE NC LINE BY EARLY AFTERNOON. AS TEMPERATURES DROP TUESDAY EVENING THE WINTRY MIX WILL AGAIN MARCH SOUTHWARD AND ENCOMPASS ALMOST ALL OF THE FORECAST AREA BY DAYBREAK WEDNESDAY MORNING. THIS PERIOD IS OF CONCERN AS MODEL SOUNDINGS INDICATE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN WITH POSSIBLE ACCUMULATIONS...WITH GREATEST ACCUMULATIONS CURRENTLY EXPECTED OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE FORECAST AREA INCLUDING THE CSRA. WEDNESDAY WILL SEE THE FREEZING PRECIPITATION RETREAT NORTHWARD AGAIN WITH ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN LATE WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT AS THE LOW PRESSURE FINALLY BEGINS TO PULL THE PRECIPITATION EASTWARD AS IT BEGINS TO EXIT THE REGION. UNCERTAINTY CONTINUES TO SURROUND AMOUNT OF FREEZING RAIN ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH THIS SYSTEM WHICH KEEPS CONFIDENCE LOW...HOWEVER MODELS CURRENTLY INDICATE THE POTENTIAL FOR HALF AN INCH OF ICE OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE FORECAST AREA. Darlin', it's time to go buy you a good chainsaw. At least any 18 inch one. And anybody in line for more than an inch and a half, or two, make sure you have a saw on the block, because with ten trees down and power poles, if there is an emergency you need to be able to cut your way out, and away from the power lines. I'll never forget Peachtree Street in Buckhead blocked as far as you could see both directions with popping powerlines, exploding oil cans, poles leaning over into the street and trees down all over. Sparks, and blue, and destruction everywhere...and I mean everywhere. That's the one thing everybody needed, a saw, and no one had, but moi And extra chains, which moi didn't have I was watching the folks today when I went for my storm groceries, and realized most of them have never seen the kind of zrain that's being talked about, and they have no idea the kind the stress they may be facing. Get gas for the grill, candles, whatever you need to be happy for a week in the dark, and bone cold Plenty of Jose, I expect, lol. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltadog03 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 18z GFS is a little colder at 2m for our states going through hr42 so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDodd Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sounding for FAY, per the 18z NAM: 0 snow, .18 IP, 2 inches ZR ... we ain't built for that down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 RAH says Winter Storm Watches may be issued within 24 hours. MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT: COLD FRONT WILL SLIP SOUTH OF THE AREA MONDAY MORNING...AND WELL INTO THE DEEP SOUTH THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EVENING...STALLING ALONG WRN/CENTRAL GULF COAST AND ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERN STATES MONDAY NIGHT. BEHIND THE FRONT...AN EXPANSIVE COLD CANADIAN HIGH PRESSURE CENTERED OVER THE MIDWEST AND PLAINS STATES WILL BUILD SOUTHEASTWARD INTO THE REGION MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT...BRINGING A REINFORCEMENT OF COLD DRY AIR SOUTHWARD INTO THE AREA. AT THE SAME TIME AS THE COLD AIR SURGES SOUTH...SHORTWAVE DISTURBANCES EMBEDDED IN THE BROAD CYCLONIC FLOW ALOFT WILL TRAVERSE THE REGION MONDAY AFTERNOON...LEADING TO RE-SATURATION AND LIFT IN THE MID LAYERS...WITH RENEWED UPPER DIVERGENCE OVERSPREADING THE AREA AS THE ALREADY VIGOROUS SOUTHERN STREAM JET INTENSIFIES FURTHER. THE GFS AND NAM ARE IN REMARKABLY GOOD AGREEMENT IN SMEARING LIGHT POST- FRONTAL PRECIP ACROSS THE AREA BETWEEN 18Z TO 06Z...WITH EMPHASIZE ON THE WORD "LIGHT"...WITH AVERAGE LIQUID AMOUNTS OF ONLY 0.03 TO 0.05". BASED ON PARTIAL THICKNESSES AND SFC WETBULBS...THE AIRMASS WILL BE SUFFICIENTLY COLD AND MOIST ENOUGH TO SUPPORT ALL SNOW/FLURRIES NORTH AND WEST OF THE TRIANGLE(OR US 64 CORRIDOR NORTHWARD)...WITH A LIGHT RAIN/MIX SOUTH OF THE TRIANGLE...CHANGING OVER TO SNOW BEFORE TAPERING OFF AROUND MIDNIGHT. WILL HANG ON TO A SLIGHT CHANCE OF SNOW ACROSS THE FAR SOUTH ZONES AFTER MIDNIGHT...BUT MUCH OF THE GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THERE WILL BE A LULL IN PRECIP ACROSS THE AREA TUESDAY MORNING AS THE BREWING STORM SYSTEM ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH BEGINS TO SPREAD NORTHWARD. A FEW SPOTS...MAINLY AREAS ALONG AND NORTH OF THE TRIANGLE...COULD SEE AS MUCH AS A DUSTING...BUT GIVEN SUCH LIGHT AMOUNTS...AND RELATIVELY WARM GROUND TEMPERATURES AND ABOVE FREEZING TEMPERATURES...SUCH AN OCCURRENCE SHOULD BE RATHER ISOLATED AND THUS NO ADVISORIES ARE NEEDED AT THIS TIME. IF MODELS COME IN WETTER WITH THE OOZ PACKAGE...A HALF INCH TO NEAR AN INCH WOULD BE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE NORTHERN PIEDMONT COUNTIES. GIVEN THE WETTER TREND OF THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE LOWER TEMPERATURES A GOOD 7 TO 10 DEGREES WITH HIGHS RANGING FROM MID 30S TO LOWER/MID 40S SOUTH. LOWS MONDAY NIGHT IN THE MID TO UPPER 20S NORTH TO LOWER 30S SOUTH. && .SHORT TERM /TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... AS OF 320 PM SUNDAY... ...WINTER STORM WATCH MAY BE NEEDED WITHIN 24 HOURS... MODEL TRENDS/CONFIDENCE: THE LATEST 12Z MODEL GUIDANCE HAS COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN EAST OF THE ROCKIES AND EXPECTED CYCLOGENESIS ALONG/OFFSHORE THE SOUTHEAST COAST EARLY/MID WEEK...AND CONFIDENCE IS INCREASING THAT CENTRAL NC WILL EXPERIENCE ANOTHER (POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT) ROUND OF WINTER WEATHER IN THE TUE-THU TIME FRAME. HOWEVER...THE COMPLICATED/CHAOTIC NATURE OF THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN OVER NORTH AMERICA CONTINUES TO DICTATE ABOVE AVERAGE UNCERTAINTY IN THE PRECISE EVOLUTION OF APPROACHING SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ATTENDANT CYCLOGENESIS IN VICINITY OF A POTENT BAROCLINIC ZONE ALONG/OFFSHORE THE SOUTHEAST COAST. SYNOPTIC OVERVIEW: A COLD UPPER LEVEL LOW (I.E. POLAR VORTEX CURRENTLY OVER NUNAVUT) WILL SINK SOUTHWARD TO HUDSON BAY AND FAR NORTHERN MANITOBA/ONTARIO TONIGHT-THU...ALLOWING ARCTIC HIGH PRESSURE TO PLUNGE SOUTH FROM CANADA INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST TODAY/TONIGHT AND THEN EASTWARD INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC...THE LEADING EDGE OF WHICH WILL PROGRESS THROUGH THE CAROLINAS AS AN ARCTIC COLD FRONT LATE MON/MON NIGHT. CYCLONIC FLOW ALOFT WILL PERSIST ACROSS THE EASTERN CONUS THIS WEEK...WITH A SERIES OF SMALL AMPLITUDE SHORTWAVES TRACKING EAST ACROSS THE CONUS. ACCORDING TO THE LATEST 12Z ECMWF/GFS GUIDANCE...SOME OF THE AFOREMENTIONED SHORTWAVE ENERGY IS EXPECTED TO PHASE ACROSS THE MS RIVER VALLEY TUE NIGHT/WED...WITH A MORE AMPLIFIED UPPER LEVEL WAVE APPROACHING THE MID-ATLANTIC AND CAROLINAS LATE WED/WED NIGHT...AND A STRONGER/MORE CONSOLIDATED CYCLONE DEVELOPING IN VICINITY OF A BAROCLINIC ZONE IN PLACE ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST. HOWEVER...THE PRECISE EVOLUTION OF THE AFOREMENTIONED SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ATTENDANT CYCLOGENESIS REMAINS DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN GIVEN THE COMPLEX NATURE OF THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN ACROSS NORTH AMERICA...AND SOME AMOUNT OF CONVERGENCE AMONG LONG RANGE MODEL GUIDANCE DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPLY A NARROWER RANGE OF POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS. THE BULK OF LONG RANGE MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES PRECIPITATION OCCURRING ACROSS CENTRAL NC TUE AFT/EVE THROUGH WED NIGHT. THE 12Z ECMWF INDICATES A PATTERN OF CYCLOGENESIS CLOSER TO THE MILLER-B VARIETY...WHILE THE GFS CONTINUES TO INDICATE MORE OF A MILLER-A TYPE SOLUTION. IF A STRONGER UPPER LEVEL WAVE DEVELOPS AS GUIDANCE SUGGESTS...A MORE PRONOUNCED WARM NOSE /STRONGER LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION/ WOULD BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE COASTAL PLAIN... IN ADDITION TO PENETRATING FURTHER INLAND ACROSS THE HWY 1 CORRIDOR. THOUGH TIMING/PTYPE/ACCUM/IMPACT REMAIN DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WITH MUCH CONFIDENCE...IT DOES APPEAR THAT PROBABILITIES OF SIGNIFICANT WINTER WEATHER HAVE INCREASED FOR PORTIONS OF CENTRAL NC TUE NIGHT THROUGH EARLY THU. WITH THE ABOVE IN MIND...HAVE TRENDED THE FORECAST COOLER/WETTER TUE-THU...WITH PTYPE CORRIDORS CLOSE TO CLIMATOLOGY FOR THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM...I.E. THE BEST CHANCE OF SNOW IN THE FAR N/NW PIEDMONT...THE BEST CHANCE OF A TRANSITION TO FZRA/RA SOUTH AND SE OF THE TRIANGLE (FAY/GSB)...AND A WINTRY MIX OF SN/IP/FZRA ALONG THE HWY 1 CORRIDOR (SOP/RDU/HNZ). DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED UNCERTAINTY AND THAT IT IS POSSIBLE PRECIP MAY NOT FULLY DEVELOP ACROSS CENTRAL NC (ESP NORTH OF HWY 64) UNTIL LATE TUE/TUE NIGHT...IT IS TOO EARLY TO ISSUE A WINTER STORM WATCH... THOUGH ONE COULD BE NEEDED WITHIN 24 HOURS. -VINCENT && Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanskip Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Nobody is -- icy soundings all the way back to the foothills -- hopefully will get sorted out toward snow as we get closer. Sounding for FAY, per the 18z NAM: 0 snow, .18 IP, 2 inches ZR ... we ain't built for that down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy1987 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 54 the GFS looks sharper with backside northern energy if I had to guess downstream id say the GFS is still playing catchup but it's just a guess nowhere nam or euro imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopplerWx Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 wow, gfs looks colder. zr down near the lowcountry away from the coast thru 54. grand strand getting pummeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sounding for FAY, per the 18z NAM: 0 snow, .18 IP, 2 inches ZR ... we ain't built for that down here.The big ice storm back in 2002 basically destroyed my yard, fence, and car. My wife actually saw a hickory tree get pulled up by the root ball because of too much ice. I only got 1.25 of freezing rain. If you get 2"......my God. http://www4.ncsu.edu/~nwsfo/storage/cases/20021204/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DueUCMe Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 From NWS Raleigh: SHORT TERM /TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/... -- Changed Discussion -- AS OF 320 PM SUNDAY... ...WINTER STORM WATCH MAY BE NEEDED WITHIN 24 HOURS... MODEL TRENDS/CONFIDENCE: THE LATEST 12Z MODEL GUIDANCE HAS COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN EAST OF THE ROCKIES AND EXPECTED CYCLOGENESIS ALONG/OFFSHORE THE SOUTHEAST COAST EARLY/MID WEEK...AND CONFIDENCE IS INCREASING THAT CENTRAL NC WILL EXPERIENCE ANOTHER (POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT) ROUND OF WINTER WEATHER IN THE TUE-THU TIME FRAME. HOWEVER...THE COMPLICATED/CHAOTIC NATURE OF THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN OVER NORTH AMERICA CONTINUES TO DICTATE ABOVE AVERAGE UNCERTAINTY IN THE PRECISE EVOLUTION OF APPROACHING SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ATTENDANT CYCLOGENESIS IN VICINITY OF A POTENT BAROCLINIC ZONE ALONG/OFFSHORE THE SOUTHEAST COAST. SYNOPTIC OVERVIEW: A COLD UPPER LEVEL LOW (I.E. POLAR VORTEX CURRENTLY OVER NUNAVUT) WILL SINK SOUTHWARD TO HUDSON BAY AND FAR NORTHERN MANITOBA/ONTARIO TONIGHT-THU...ALLOWING ARCTIC HIGH PRESSURE TO PLUNGE SOUTH FROM CANADA INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST TODAY/TONIGHT AND THEN EASTWARD INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC...THE LEADING EDGE OF WHICH WILL PROGRESS THROUGH THE CAROLINAS AS AN ARCTIC COLD FRONT LATE MON/MON NIGHT. CYCLONIC FLOW ALOFT WILL PERSIST ACROSS THE EASTERN CONUS THIS WEEK...WITH A SERIES OF SMALL AMPLITUDE SHORTWAVES TRACKING EAST ACROSS THE CONUS. ACCORDING TO THE LATEST 12Z ECMWF/GFS GUIDANCE...SOME OF THE AFOREMENTIONED SHORTWAVE ENERGY IS EXPECTED TO PHASE ACROSS THE MS RIVER VALLEY TUE NIGHT/WED...WITH A MORE AMPLIFIED UPPER LEVEL WAVE APPROACHING THE MID-ATLANTIC AND CAROLINAS LATE WED/WED NIGHT...AND A STRONGER/MORE CONSOLIDATED CYCLONE DEVELOPING IN VICINITY OF A BAROCLINIC ZONE IN PLACE ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST. HOWEVER...THE PRECISE EVOLUTION OF THE AFOREMENTIONED SHORTWAVE ENERGY AND ATTENDANT CYCLOGENESIS REMAINS DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN GIVEN THE COMPLEX NATURE OF THE UPPER LEVEL PATTERN ACROSS NORTH AMERICA...AND SOME AMOUNT OF CONVERGENCE AMONG LONG RANGE MODEL GUIDANCE DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPLY A NARROWER RANGE OF POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS. THE BULK OF LONG RANGE MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES PRECIPITATION OCCURRING ACROSS CENTRAL NC TUE AFT/EVE THROUGH WED NIGHT. THE 12Z ECMWF INDICATES A PATTERN OF CYCLOGENESIS CLOSER TO THE MILLER-B VARIETY...WHILE THE GFS CONTINUES TO INDICATE MORE OF A MILLER-A TYPE SOLUTION. IF A STRONGER UPPER LEVEL WAVE DEVELOPS AS GUIDANCE SUGGESTS...A MORE PRONOUNCED WARM NOSE /STRONGER LOW-LEVEL WARM ADVECTION/ WOULD BE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE COASTAL PLAIN... IN ADDITION TO PENETRATING FURTHER INLAND ACROSS THE HWY 1 CORRIDOR. THOUGH TIMING/PTYPE/ACCUM/IMPACT REMAIN DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WITH MUCH CONFIDENCE...IT DOES APPEAR THAT PROBABILITIES OF SIGNIFICANT WINTER WEATHER HAVE INCREASED FOR PORTIONS OF CENTRAL NC TUE NIGHT THROUGH EARLY THU. WITH THE ABOVE IN MIND...HAVE TRENDED THE FORECAST COOLER/WETTER TUE-THU...WITH PTYPE CORRIDORS CLOSE TO CLIMATOLOGY FOR THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM...I.E. THE BEST CHANCE OF SNOW IN THE FAR N/NW PIEDMONT...THE BEST CHANCE OF A TRANSITION TO FZRA/RA SOUTH AND SE OF THE TRIANGLE (FAY/GSB)...AND A WINTRY MIX OF SN/IP/FZRA ALONG THE HWY 1 CORRIDOR (SOP/RDU/HNZ). DUE TO THE AFOREMENTIONED UNCERTAINTY AND THAT IT IS POSSIBLE PRECIP MAY NOT FULLY DEVELOP ACROSS CENTRAL NC (ESP NORTH OF HWY 64) UNTIL LATE TUE/TUE NIGHT...IT IS TOO EARLY TO ISSUE A WINTER STORM WATCH... THOUGH ONE COULD BE NEEDED WITHIN 24 HOURS. -VINCENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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