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Southern Ontario winter '13-'14 Discussion part II


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I agree. However, I would rather have a constant snowpack than have 30 cm snowfalls that melt a week later, as happens in the Mid-Atlantic states. This winter is still an A- for me. The fact we haven't had as much snow as surrounding areas prevents it from getting an A or A+

 

I agree with this A- rating.

Have been watching winter events closely for last three decades and this winter has been eventful.

Major ice storm,  constant snow cover, decent snowfalls, and fairly extreme cold spells.

 

Too many winters were write offs downtown here. The winter of 2007-08 is benchmark for me with an A.

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I agree with this A- rating.

Have been watching winter events closely for last three decades and this winter has been eventful.

Major ice storm,  constant snow cover, decent snowfalls, and fairly extreme cold spells.

 

Too many winters were write offs downtown here. The winter of 2007-08 is benchmark for me with an A.

 

I rate this Winter with a A- as well. In order to fully satisfy me, we need atleast another 30cm from now through early April. When you look at the broader picture a B would be respectable, but locally its been pretty eventful. We escaped 3 storms without seeing any rain even though it was forecasted and one being the ice storm.  

 

The latest Euro weeklies are very encouraging for Winter lovers, lol. The cold persists right through mid March. Sadly enough, models are trying to build back a +PNA which may cut off the Gulf and leave us with a zonal pattern again -_-. Great Lakes Ice cover may reach a new record high this season. 

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9.5cm is the final in my area. Snow depth is at 2 feet, wow! Hopefully it survives the piss tank.

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Pretty good to have 60 cms currently on the ground which is almost half your seasonal total.   If the same conditions applied here,  I should have well over 110 on the ground, instead of the approx. 50 that is here now.     

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I'm not sure how anyone the GTA can rank this winter in the "excellent" category, unless it's completely contingent on below normal temperatures. Snowfall has been only slightly above average. I guess you may consider the longevity of the snowpack, but I don't find anything beautiful about the brown crust on the side of the roads. Perhaps a negative to living downtown. The lower end of "very good" or "B" seems more appropriate, at least in my mind; hence, B-

 

 

I was up near Canada's Wonderland on Sunday and only measured 45cm on the ground. I was a bit surprised as I thought areas north had been doing much better than that. I drove through Orillia last Thursday and wow did they ever have a lot of snow! 65 cm on the ground up there.

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I'm not sure how anyone the GTA can rank this winter in the "excellent" category, unless it's completely contingent on below normal temperatures. Snowfall has been only slightly above average. I guess you may consider the longevity of the snowpack, but I don't find anything beautiful about the brown crust on the side of the roads. Perhaps a negative to living downtown. The lower end of "very good" or "B" seems more appropriate, at least in my mind; hence, B-

 

 

I was up near Canada's Wonderland on Sunday and only measured 45cm on the ground. I was a bit surprised as I thought areas north had been doing much better than that. I drove through Orillia last Thursday and wow did they ever have a lot of snow! 65 cm on the ground up there.

 

I agree. Compared to Detroit, Chicago or NYC, this Winter hasn't been all that great in the snow department. Would be nice to get a decent widespread snowstorm (>15cm). I live near Wonderland, lol. The Sun did some damage to the snowpack last week, but today its back up to 55-60cm again.   

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I agree. Compared to Detroit, Chicago or NYC, this Winter hasn't been all that great in the snow department. Would be nice to get a decent widespread snowstorm (>15cm). I live near Wonderland, lol. The Sun did some damage to the snowpack last week, but today its back up to 55-60cm again.   

 

I have faith that March will deliver a monster blizzard  :lmao:  :snowing:  :sled:

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I'm not sure how anyone the GTA can rank this winter in the "excellent" category, unless it's completely contingent on below normal temperatures. Snowfall has been only slightly above average. I guess you may consider the longevity of the snowpack, but I don't find anything beautiful about the brown crust on the side of the roads. Perhaps a negative to living downtown. The lower end of "very good" or "B" seems more appropriate, at least in my mind; hence, B-

 

 

Dude, your not old enough to have watched how dismal most downtown T.O winters can be.

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I agree. Compared to Detroit, Chicago or NYC, this Winter hasn't been all that great in the snow department. Would be nice to get a decent widespread snowstorm (>15cm). I live near Wonderland, lol. The Sun did some damage to the snowpack last week, but today its back up to 55-60cm again.   

 

Did we not already have one?

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Prelim grade still stands at a B/B-. Good winter, but not excellent or exceptional. <based on snowfall.

 

If you're a cold wx nut then this winter has to be A/A+ material.

No massive snowstorms but generally an average snow year coupled with brutal cold has allowed for the deepest depth and snowbanks in years. I remember seeing the number of snow cover days a couple weeks back, but does anyone think we have a legit chance at breaking that record this year? 

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Prelim grade still stands at a B/B-. Good winter, but not excellent or exceptional. <based on snowfall.

If you're a cold wx nut then this winter has to be A/A+ material.

In my opinion, a long lasting snowpack is a nice component for a winter to have, but does not really carry a lot of weight IMO along with temp departures. If we exclude the ice storm and feb 5 snowstorm from this winter, i think its a B-. With that being said, i think its a B+/A- winter as those were pretty awesome events imby(historic ice storm and 3-4" an hour rates with the feb storm).
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Dude, your not old enough to have watched how dismal most downtown T.O winters can be.

This. It's been the third coldest winter of the past 50 years in downtown Toronto and the 11th coldest of the past century. This is a standout winter that people in Toronto will refer back to for years, if not decades to come.

 

My dad was genuinely surprised when I pointed out that snowfall is below average this year as he says it feels like it's been never ending.

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This. It's been the third coldest winter of the past 50 years in downtown Toronto and the 11th coldest of the past century. This is a standout winter that people in Toronto will refer back to for years, if not decades to come.

 

My dad was genuinely surprised when I pointed out that snowfall is below average this year as he says it feels like it's been never ending.

 

Snowfall is not below average.

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Interesting to see the 4km  NAM much cooler with SFC temps when compared to the GFS/euro regarding fridays event. Keeps sfc temps below freezing for much of the event. Curious to see if its on to something given the snowpack and NE flow that sets up before the warm front lifts north. Not impressed with the high over QC thats ~1018mb so not really giving the NAM the time of day ATM.

 

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Pearson averages 108.5cm, but that's for the whole season. Year-to-date there should normally be around ~80cm. This year it's currently at 101 or 102 after today's snowfall. So Pearson's 20+cm above normal.

 

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but at last check doesn't YYZ average 115.4cm? 108.5cm seems low. We average a Trace or more from October thru May.  

 

March averages 20cm and April averages 6cm. Were already above normal for February which averages 22cm. 

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Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but at last check doesn't YYZ average 115.4cm? 108.5cm seems low. We average a Trace or more from October thru May.

March averages 20cm and April averages 6cm. Were already above normal for February which averages 22cm.

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Environment Canada recently released the new 1981-2010 normals. The new average snowfall for YYZ is 108.5 cm. It was 115 cm under the old 1971-2000 normals.

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Environment Canada recently released the new 1981-2010 normals. The new average snowfall for YYZ is 108.5 cm. It was 115 cm under the old 1971-2000 normals.

Yes, Toronto averages less snow now. Kind of ironic that the year the normals are updated we end up with above average snowfall and the third coldest winter in 50 years.

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This winter in terms of cold rank with 10 days to go. At YYZ:

 

1. 1976-77....-8.4

2. 1969-70....-7.9

2. 1944-45....-7.9

4. 1993-94....-7.8

5. 1977-78....-7.7

6. 2013-14....-7.6

 

Btw, December 93 has missing data so i'm not sure if you took that into account? 

 

If next week pans out as cold as the models say, I wouldn't be surprised if its in the top 3 or top 4 coldest Winter on record. 

 

Another interesting note! 77-78. 76-77, 69-70 and 93-94 were all El Ninos. 44-45 featured a neutral ENSO anomaly like this year.

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Btw, December 93 has missing data so i'm not sure if you took that into account? 

 

If next week pans out as cold as the models say, I wouldn't be surprised if its in the top 3 or top 4 coldest Winter on record. 

 

Another interesting note! 77-78. 76-77, 69-70 and 93-94 were all El Ninos. 44-45 featured a neutral ENSO anomaly like this year.

 

Yup, accounted for.

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This winter in terms of cold rank with 10 days to go. At YYZ:

 

1. 1976-77....-8.4

2. 1969-70....-7.9

2. 1944-45....-7.9

4. 1993-94....-7.8

5. 1977-78....-7.7

6. 2013-14....-7.6

Yes, the data provided by the Weather Network is from downtown Toronto. This looks set to finish up as the 11th coldest winter of the past century and the 38th coldest since records began 174 years ago.

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This. It's been the third coldest winter of the past 50 years in downtown Toronto and the 11th coldest of the past century. This is a standout winter that people in Toronto will refer back to for years, if not decades to come.

 

My dad was genuinely surprised when I pointed out that snowfall is below average this year as he says it feels like it's been never ending.

 

I don't think a very cold winter makes it a standout winter. Just because you're obsessed with cold doesn't mean everyone else solely uses it to determine how "great" they view the winter.  :rolleyes:

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Dude, your not old enough to have watched how dismal most downtown T.O winters can be.

 

I don't know if things get much more dismal than 2011-2012.

 

I'm not sure how my age has anything to do with how I feel about this winter. I haven't been very impressed with the snow events to give this winter an A grade. 

 

I'm glad to see that somebody else (ssc) sees this winter in the B range, too. 

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