on_wx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I don't have an answer then. What's the topography like there? Is K/W in a valley location? Hilly and such. I think KW is built on the sides of the Waterloo Moraine, also Kitchener is about 30 metres lower than Waterloo. -28.5 at midnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 YYZ -16.6C (2F) at midnight. 0F in range.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Nothing exciting for the next 120 hours... Temperature is -20.2C on my thermometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 YYZ has warmed to -16.4C as of 1am with winds out of the NNE. YKZ is now down to -22.0C as of 1am with winds out of the NW. UHI seems to be an additional factor with the temperature discrepancy amongst the GTA. Hoping YYZ can crack the -20.0C mark tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London snowsquall Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Temperature has nosedived here overnight. Currently -27C. I think this has edged out one of the January nights for the coldest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 The 6z GFS was ugly for our region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 The Euro, however, is depicting a big dog storm for next Monday, saying we get between 25-30 cm in Toronto, ending with a snow depth of close to 60 cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 -31.2 this morning could be the coldest temp maybe in 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Big difference in temps between Pearson and downtown. Got down to -20 at YYZ, but only -14 downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Big difference in temps between Pearson and downtown. Got down to -20 at YYZ, but only -14 downtown. I got down to -18.8c at my place. So, below 0F at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 At least a daily record was broken today. Checking on the UW... the last round of coldest temps was -28.8 in Jan 2009, and -30 on Jan 2005. So, this mornings low is the coldest temp in 9 years. I wasn't too far off with 'coldest in maybe 10 years'. http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4363281--31-c-wednesday-morning-may-be-a-record-cold-temperature-for-waterloo-region/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torontonian Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The Euro, however, is depicting a big dog storm for next Monday, saying we get between 25-30 cm in Toronto, ending with a snow depth of close to 60 cm. At least something to watch come Monday. So Euro says 25-30 cm. now. Probably will change but encouraging. TWN is calling 5- 10 cm. at this point Monday. EC says 30% chance of flurries. Quite a discrepancy but.....we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Went back and looked for previous temps that went below -30, could only find monthly summaries so no idea if the temp dipped to -30 more than one time in these months at KW since 1970: JAN 1976 -31.1 JAN 1977 -30.0 JAN 1984 -31.9 JAN 2005 -30.5 FEB 2014 -31.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 -31.2 this morning could be the coldest temp maybe in 10 years. That's incredible. Very nice. I'm thinking the differences between KW and YYZ this year are largely due to the frozen Lake Huron/Erie, which surround that area. Airmasses coming in from the west haven't been modified by the open water in the latter half of this winter and pump some really cold air right into that area. Akin to the cold air coming over the prairies and into MN, WI etc. YYZ being right on the (relatively) open Lake Ontario plus the general UHI effect have kept it a bit warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 That's incredible. Very nice. I'm thinking the differences between KW and YYZ this year are largely due to the frozen Lake Huron/Erie, which surround that area. Airmasses coming in from the west haven't been modified by the open water in the latter half of this winter and pump some really cold air right into that area. Akin to the cold air coming over the prairies and into MN, WI etc. YYZ being right on the (relatively) open Lake Ontario plus the general UHI effect have kept it a bit warmer. Good point. YYZ needs a northeasterly flow to get reallh cold. Perhaps we will see a NE wind tonight, courtesy of the storm moving up the east coast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Good point. YYZ needs a northeasterly flow to get reallh cold. Perhaps we will see a NE wind tonight, courtesy of the storm moving up the east coast? With the clipper coming in from the west we likely won't see a NE for any extended period or of sufficient strength to bring down much cold air. Much more likely to shift to a southerly S/SE flow by tomorrow morning/afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 This weird obsession with wanting to be colder than we already are is baffling. Obviously nobody in here pays their own heating bill or has to step outside their front door much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 This weird obsession with wanting to be colder than we already are is baffling. Obviously nobody in here pays their own heating bill or has to step outside their front door much! Not looking to be colder than we are now, simply maintain this until march 1st. After that, let spring begin and flowers bloom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 What's so special about a March 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 What's so special about a March 1st? Meteorological winter ends on February 28th. December, January and February are considered the three winter months when tallying up the rankings. March, April and May are considered meteorological spring. Thus, if the torch began March 1st, it wouldn't affect this winter's rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrisale Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Meteorological winter ends on February 28th. December, January and February are considered the three winter months when tallying up the rankings. March, April and May are considered meteorological spring. Thus, if the torch began March 1st, it wouldn't affect this winter's rankings. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with a torch "affecting the rank" of any particular winter. It's simply another piece of the puzzle that describes the winter/pattern as a whole. A torch is just another part of our on-going climatological record, it doesn't skew the data set. It's a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think you're looking at it the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with a torch "affecting the rank" of any particular winter. It's simply another piece of the puzzle that describes the winter/pattern as a whole. A torch is just another part of our on-going climatological record, it doesn't skew the data set. It's a part of it. By rank he means the rank this winter would have in the list of Toronto's coldest winters. A torch would affect the rank in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I don't care where this winter "ranks"; I have a memory to recollect this winter. I care about the weather I experienced, and will experience, but I do not care about a set of numbers or where this winter falls on an arbitrary list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I don't care where this winter "ranks"; I have a memory to recollect this winter. I care about the weather I experienced, and will experience, but I do not care about a set of numbers or where this winter falls on an arbitrary list. What makes the list arbitrary? And why are you getting so worked up over this? OB cares and that's his prerogative. I care about rank in terms of snowfall, although this winter hasn't had anything to offer in that department one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 What makes the list arbitrary? And why are you getting so worked up over this? OB cares and that's his prerogative. I care about rank in terms of snowfall, although this winter hasn't had anything to offer in that department one way or the other. I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer. We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average. Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer. We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average. Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair. I still don't see how it make its arbitrary. Maybe irrelevant is the better word, based on your standards. That's fine. Some of us are oriented towards the stats (see michsnowfreak from SE MI as a great example)...others more towards the sensible weather. I think some of your disinterest in the cold winter rankings comes from your disdain for the cold weather. OB on the other hand loves cold weather. All subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer. We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average. Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair. They don't call you WestCoaster for nothing. J/K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I still don't see how it make its arbitrary. Maybe irrelevant is the better word, based on your standards. That's fine. Some of us are oriented towards the stats (see michsnowfreak from SE MI as a great example)...others more towards the sensible weather. I think some of your disinterest in the cold winter rankings comes from your disdain for the cold weather. OB on the other hand loves cold weather. All subjective.If we were to take geography into account, you could easily tell why they have different perspectives from one another. For example, OB is from Ottawa which is relatively cold in the Winter and WC is from Vancouver which is relatively mild in the winter. WC isnt a fan of cold temperatures and when we look at where he's from, the answer is straight forward. I personally favour snow over cold temperatures any day. And right now, I just want another 30-50cm to satisfy my appetite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 If we were to take geography into account, you could easily tell why they have different perspectives from one another. For example, OB is from Ottawa which is relatively cold in the Winter and WC is from Vancouver which is relatively mild in the winter. WC isnt a fan of cold temperatures and when we look at where he's from, the answer is straight forward. I personally favour snow over cold temperatures any day. And right now, I just want another 30-50cm to satisfy my appetite. I want 30-50 cm too... in one go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 I want 30-50 cm too... in one go. I've experienced a storm just like that, in March 2008. Was beyond epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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