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Southern Ontario winter '13-'14 Discussion part II


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At least a daily record was broken today. Checking on the UW... the last round of coldest temps was -28.8 in Jan 2009, and -30 on Jan 2005. So, this mornings low is the coldest temp in 9 years. I wasn't too far off with 'coldest in maybe 10 years'.

 

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4363281--31-c-wednesday-morning-may-be-a-record-cold-temperature-for-waterloo-region/

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The Euro, however, is depicting a big dog storm for next Monday, saying we get between 25-30 cm in Toronto, ending with a snow depth of close to 60 cm. :weenie:

At least something to watch come Monday.

 

So Euro says 25-30 cm. now. Probably will change but encouraging.

TWN is calling 5- 10 cm. at this point Monday.

EC says 30% chance of flurries.

 

Quite a discrepancy but.....we will see.

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-31.2 this morning could be the coldest temp maybe in 10 years.

 

That's incredible. Very nice. I'm thinking the differences between KW and YYZ this year are largely due to the frozen Lake Huron/Erie, which surround that area. Airmasses coming in from the west haven't been modified by the open water in the latter half of this winter and pump some really cold air right into that area. Akin to the cold air coming over the prairies and into MN, WI etc.

 

YYZ being right on the (relatively) open Lake Ontario plus the general UHI effect have kept it a bit warmer.

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That's incredible. Very nice. I'm thinking the differences between KW and YYZ this year are largely due to the frozen Lake Huron/Erie, which surround that area. Airmasses coming in from the west haven't been modified by the open water in the latter half of this winter and pump some really cold air right into that area. Akin to the cold air coming over the prairies and into MN, WI etc.

 

YYZ being right on the (relatively) open Lake Ontario plus the general UHI effect have kept it a bit warmer.

Good point. YYZ needs a northeasterly flow to get reallh cold. Perhaps we will see a NE wind tonight, courtesy of the storm moving up the east coast?

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Good point. YYZ needs a northeasterly flow to get reallh cold. Perhaps we will see a NE wind tonight, courtesy of the storm moving up the east coast?

 

With the clipper coming in from the west we likely won't see a NE for any extended period or of sufficient strength to bring down much cold air. Much more likely to shift to a southerly S/SE flow by tomorrow morning/afternoon.

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This weird obsession with wanting to be colder than we already are is baffling. Obviously nobody in here pays their own heating bill or has to step outside their front door much!

Not looking to be colder than we are now, simply maintain this until march 1st. After that, let spring begin and flowers bloom!

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What's so special about a March 1st?

Meteorological winter ends on February 28th. December, January and February are considered the three winter months when tallying up the rankings. March, April and May are considered meteorological spring. Thus, if the torch began March 1st, it wouldn't affect this winter's rankings.

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Meteorological winter ends on February 28th. December, January and February are considered the three winter months when tallying up the rankings. March, April and May are considered meteorological spring. Thus, if the torch began March 1st, it wouldn't affect this winter's rankings.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with a torch "affecting the rank" of any particular winter. It's simply another piece of the puzzle that describes the winter/pattern as a whole. A torch is just another part of our on-going climatological record, it doesn't skew the data set. It's a part of it.

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I think you're looking at it the wrong way. There's nothing wrong with a torch "affecting the rank" of any particular winter. It's simply another piece of the puzzle that describes the winter/pattern as a whole. A torch is just another part of our on-going climatological record, it doesn't skew the data set. It's a part of it.

 

By rank he means the rank this winter would have in the list of Toronto's coldest winters. A torch would affect the rank in that sense.

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I don't care where this winter "ranks"; I have a memory to recollect this winter. I care about the weather I experienced, and will experience, but I do not care about a set of numbers or where this winter falls on an arbitrary list.

 

What makes the list arbitrary? And why are you getting so worked up over this? OB cares and that's his prerogative. I care about rank in terms of snowfall, although this winter hasn't had anything to offer in that department one way or the other. 

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What makes the list arbitrary? And why are you getting so worked up over this? OB cares and that's his prerogative. I care about rank in terms of snowfall, although this winter hasn't had anything to offer in that department one way or the other. 

 

I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer.

 

We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average.

 

Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair.

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I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer.

 

We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average.

 

Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair.

 

I still don't see how it make its arbitrary. Maybe irrelevant is the better word, based on your standards. That's fine. Some of us are oriented towards the stats (see michsnowfreak from SE MI as a great example)...others more towards the sensible weather. I think some of your disinterest in the cold winter rankings comes from your disdain for the cold weather. OB on the other hand loves cold weather. All subjective.

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I'm not getting worked up... I'm saying that I take a completely different stance: I'd rather more tolerable weather than hoping to make it on some list and deal with this awful cold any longer.

 

We could have a winter where it dumps 4cm of snow every 3 days for the full 14 weeks of meteorological winter, resulting in a total snowfall, resulting in an average snowfall year for that period, but I would say that winter sucked major balls. A ranking doesn't do much for me in terms of how great the winter was, so to me a the list is arbitrary. It is an average.

 

Last winter beats this winter for me still, but by a hair.

They don't call you WestCoaster for nothing. :devilsmiley:

 

J/K

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I still don't see how it make its arbitrary. Maybe irrelevant is the better word, based on your standards. That's fine. Some of us are oriented towards the stats (see michsnowfreak from SE MI as a great example)...others more towards the sensible weather. I think some of your disinterest in the cold winter rankings comes from your disdain for the cold weather. OB on the other hand loves cold weather. All subjective.

If we were to take geography into account, you could easily tell why they have different perspectives from one another. For example, OB is from Ottawa which is relatively cold in the Winter and WC is from Vancouver which is relatively mild in the winter. WC isnt a fan of cold temperatures and when we look at where he's from, the answer is straight forward.

I personally favour snow over cold temperatures any day. And right now, I just want another 30-50cm to satisfy my appetite.

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If we were to take geography into account, you could easily tell why they have different perspectives from one another. For example, OB is from Ottawa which is relatively cold in the Winter and WC is from Vancouver which is relatively mild in the winter. WC isnt a fan of cold temperatures and when we look at where he's from, the answer is straight forward.

I personally favour snow over cold temperatures any day. And right now, I just want another 30-50cm to satisfy my appetite.

 

I want 30-50 cm too... in one go.  :lmao:

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