famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sort of how the airlines pad their arrival times... Was thinking the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEchestercountydude Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The hype for "future storms" has gotten so great that our home owners insurance said they won't take care of the fallen trees in our yard for 2-3 weeks, because they feel more damage may happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The hype for "future storms" has gotten so great that our home owners insurance said they won't take care of the fallen trees in our yard for 2-3 weeks, because they feel more damage may happen. Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I was woken up at 6am by a recording from PECO telling me they have "restored" my power. I drive 45 minutes home from my Sisters Apartment to find we still had no power. I called PECO and they said they apologized" for the "call errors." This is not something they can have "errors" with. I still have no power and I called PECO this evening who told me they would "restore" my power by tomorrow night at 11pm. If I get that call again at 6am I won't believe it until I find out through other people. I am leaving this thread pinned until all of our fellow poster's power is restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I was woken up at 6am by a recording from PECO telling me they have "restored" my power. I drive 45 minutes home from my Sisters Apartment to find we still had no power. I called PECO and they said they apologized" for the "call errors." This is not something they can have "errors" with. I still have no power and I called PECO this evening who told me they would "restore" my power by tomorrow night at 11pm. If I get that call again at 6am I won't believe it until I find out through other people. I am leaving this thread pinned until all of our fellow poster's power is restored. That sucks. So much for my theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Rich, thanks for watching this sub-forum while I have no power but I am keeping this thread pinned until every poster has their power back such as posters like me. This storm was more destructive in Chester and Montgomery Counties than Sandy and Irene combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 As I was driving up Davisville Road, I noticed some neighborhoods without power then the next one with power. It's so random. Obama declared the 5 County Region a Disaster Area and I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in I would guess Abington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEchestercountydude Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Seriously? Yup. I thought they do more than just follow meteorologist on social media and TV but after a statement like that I'm not so sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 PECO tells me 11pm Sunday.....for restored service here in East Nantmeal Chester County Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I hope we both get power before then. I have never seen so many power flashes and destruction ever. This was focused on a smaller area but in that area the damage is far worse than Irene or Sandy. This knocked out power to more people than Jan 94 and that was literally an inch of ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg ralls Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 1994 was far worse in terms of ice, and as the years have passed, I began to think I'd never see anything that rivaled it (which this does, at least in terms of impact). I was without power for days back in 1994 (lived in West Chester), but thankfully have had no power loss here in Collegeville. I feel for the people who are cold & in the dark right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The heavy, wet, snow on the trees caused the effect of the freezing rain to be maximized even with less ice accretion. I didn't think there could be ice storms with heavy rain and temperatures around to just below freezing but I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The heavy, wet, snow on the trees caused the effect of the freezing rain to be maximized even with less ice accretion. I didn't think there could be ice storms with heavy rain and temperatures around to just below freezing but I was wrong. Yes, all the snow maximized ice accretion. All that extra wet snow surface on the trees greatly increased the surface area which ice could accrue to, so the 1/3 to 1/2 inch of ice plus the snow ended up acting more like the inch of ice from 1994. Note that while there was only 1/3 to 1/2 inch of ice with this storm, most areas saw well OVER 1 inch of precipitation, so the icing was definitely less efficient due to the higher precip rate and more marginal temps. But the greater total precipitation plus snow compensated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windvane Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yes, all the snow maximized ice accretion. All that extra wet snow surface on the trees greatly increased the surface area which ice could accrue to, so the 1/3 to 1/2 inch of ice plus the snow ended up acting more like the inch of ice from 1994. Note that while there was only 1/3 to 1/2 inch of ice with this storm, most areas saw well OVER 1 inch of precipitation, so the icing was definitely less efficient due to the higher precip rate and more marginal temps. But the greater total precipitation plus snow compensated. Pretty much what I said what would happen on 2/4/2014. Now I dread all that high water content in the snow-the flood potential is out of this world Posted by windvane on 4 February 2014 - 01:23 PM in Philadelphia Region My experience of living through severe ice storms in the mid south is this: Once the snow clumps come off the trees with sleet or freezing rain, ice starts accruing real quick because of the thin coating of snow left behind on the limbs still remains. If the temp is not rising watch out. The second issue is that any ice accrual over .5 of an inch will definitely cause power outages because the tree branches are still weak from Sandy. I have been picking up and cutting branches for two years from that storm event because many broken branches are still hanging in the trees. The last issue that if we get any wind, we are screwed big time. The wind will worsen the situation greatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Pretty much what I said what would happen on 2/4/2014. Now I dread all that high water content in the snow-the flood potential is out of this world Posted by windvane on 4 February 2014 - 01:23 PM in Philadelphia Region My experience of living through severe ice storms in the mid south is this: Once the snow clumps come off the trees with sleet or freezing rain, ice starts accruing real quick because of the thin coating of snow left behind on the limbs still remains. If the temp is not rising watch out. The second issue is that any ice accrual over .5 of an inch will definitely cause power outages because the tree branches are still weak from Sandy. I have been picking up and cutting branches for two years from that storm event because many broken branches are still hanging in the trees. The last issue that if we get any wind, we are screwed big time. The wind will worsen the situation greatly Well if you want a contest of time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The hype for "future storms" has gotten so great that our home owners insurance said they won't take care of the fallen trees in our yard for 2-3 weeks, because they feel more damage may happen. That is complete BS. You are entitled to keep your property safe, secure and dry. You do not have to wait for the adjuster. Take pictures...document. Know your limits...they pay X for tree cleanup....Y for exterior property damage....Z for loss of fridge contents....etc etc. Post sandy so many people were basically sitting their with holes in their house waiting for the insurance company and watching the rain or snow cause further damage, all because some agent or adjuster told them don't do anything until we get there. Complete BS. I would keep my home and property safe and secure, not do a full property cleanup until spring and get my claim processed so the heck arrives by end of month. As for the worried about what's next excuse not sure if that is about social media or just the obvious point that this has been a hard winter....has more time left....and the intent might be do not pay for the cleanup until we thaw and expose all concerns. That last one is just common sense once safety has been satisfied. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 PECO once again called me at 6am to tell me my "power was restored." I don't believe them and in fact when I called for an update it said "we are working to restore you service, but they can't provide an estimate when power would return" after telling me yesterday they would have my power restored by 11pm tonight. I give up with them. I have no idea when my power will be restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEchestercountydude Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks SP. I'm on the fence about documenting the damage and then clearing it ourselves like you said, but two guys just a couple streets over from mine were clearing some large branches themselves and another large branch came down hit one guy in the head now he's coma. That's obviously one of the worst case scenarios but it makes you remember the danger. I'm quite torn really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 1994 was far worse in terms of ice, and as the years have passed, I began to think I'd never see anything that rivaled it (which this does, at least in terms of impact). I was without power for days back in 1994 (lived in West Chester), but thankfully have had no power loss here in Collegeville. I feel for the people who are cold & in the dark right now. Jan 1994 had a more widespread impact across the entire metro area however this event was significantly worse in Bucks, Chester & Montco than 94. Again the one saving grace with this event was the lack of wind, had we experienced the strong winds that followed the 94 ice storm you would have been talking Sandy like impact in these (3) counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Jan 1994 had a more widespread impact across the entire metro area however this event was significantly worse in Bucks, Chester & Montco than 94. Again the one saving grace with this event was the lack of wind, had we experienced the strong winds that followed the 94 ice storm you would have been talking Sandy like impact in these (3) counties. I think a lot of people consider the Wednesday ice storm to be very Sandy-like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 I think a lot of people consider the Wednesday ice storm to be very Sandy-like...very sandy-like imby if not worse. Too many trees and power lines down to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks SP. I'm on the fence about documenting the damage and then clearing it ourselves like you said, but two guys just a couple streets over from mine were clearing some large branches themselves and another large branch came down hit one guy in the head now he's coma. That's obviously one of the worst case scenarios but it makes you remember the danger. I'm quite torn really. I was not suggesting you do the work but rather not delaying the hiring of a crew to make the area safe. When the demand is high for such services (prices are high too) it might be better to address dangerous conditions first and leave the full clean up for later, which you could potentially handle yourself or hire. For example, we had trees on structures, blocking access, crushing fence lines and many branches which could have fallen at anytime. So we handled that stuff ASAP in November and did not complete the clean up job until April. We did replace the roof in November because 1/3 of it was gone and even that job was handled before the adjuster came. I simply handed him a package of photos, quotes and final invoices. Most impressive was the pictures of thousands of pieces of roof tiles that littered the surrounding area paired with the damaged roof photos. BY all means be safe when it comes to tree work. It is VERY dangerous when clearing damaged woods. If the limb you are looking at does not get you the one behind you that you did not realize was loose will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 very sandy-like imby if not worse. Too many trees and power lines down to count. not in Bucks County, Sandy was significantly worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 not in Bucks County, Sandy was significantly worse Well... have you ridden all over Bucks County since the Wednesday storm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rib Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 This was worse than Sandy in the areas of Mont. Co I live and drove through. It seems every block has a tree or large branches down. PECO keeps telling me false information and I'm sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Well... have you ridden all over Bucks County since the Wednesday storm? Seriously Ray it's not even debatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Seriously Ray it's not even debatable You didn't really answer the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksCO_PA Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You didn't really answer the question... because it's a silly question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soadforecaster Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 i would love to see what the skew t plot looked like for the 94 storm. temps in the 20s with freezing rain has to look crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 You didn't really answer the question... Ray - How do you determine ice accretion with uniform coating plus icicles hanging down. Highly variable from branch to branch and wire to wire but a significant component compared to other local ice storms. I presume due to the heavy rain and marginal temps.Particularly on some wires icicles must have been the predominant weighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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