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February 3rd Snowstorm


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I posted this before the euro showed the storm gfs and nam hinted at it first, they just lost it.

This needs to be watched. A little more energy in the short wave and this will dig. The other storm is right on its heels so it will be interesting to see how it will play out. If not there will be a lot of gulf moisture waiting around to be tapped.

Euro was the 1st to pick it up

Few days back

THE 0000 UTC OPERATIONAL ECMWF IS NOT AS AGGRESSIVE AS THE 0000

UTC GFS IN PUSHING THIS WEEKEND`S COLD FRONT WELL OFF THE COAST.

THE ECMWF SUGGESTS THAT A SURFACE WAVE WILL DEVELOP AND RIDE

NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE FRONT, POSSIBLY BRINGING SOME

PRECIPITATION FOR MONDAY. THE GFS REMAINS DRY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO

MONITOR THE MODEL TRENDS REGARDING THE EARLY PART OF NEXT WEEK

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I really got a good laugh out of that. Thanks for the kind words, I really do appreciate it. I learned a lot of what I know in this forum years ago...all the way back to WWBB and Eastern days. And so being able to have meteorology as a career and give back to the board by helping other people learn and have fun doing it..is something that I enjoy doing.

 

The quality of posts in this forum has improved so much over the last 3-4 years that it almost brings a tear to my eye.

 

Anyway, enjoy the snow!

I think so as well....and Thanks Earth I have learned a lot from your posts here :)

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Interesting quote from a V good Met  who is leaning to discounting this run of the Nam

'The issue here is physics. The NAM has a VERY large area of convective heavy snow. dBz values exceed over 35 for all of NJ and NYC metro.'

Then he needs to reject the EURO the SREF and the RGEM . And go with the old stick his finger in the air

And discount the majority of the guidance.

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Then he needs to reject the EURO the SREF and the RGEM . And go with the old stick his finger in the air

And discount the majority of the guidance.

 

I don't know about that. The SREF are not nearly as wet as the NAM, neither is the RGEM. Discounting the 1.00" QPF or more amounts from the NAM isn't that farfetched. Until I see the RGEM come on board with those totals I will still lean towards 0.75" amounts south of NYC. The 1.00" totals are a little ridiculous. 

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I mean, in all likelihood the NAM is too aggressive and too wet. The newer RAP and HRRR models seem more reasonable and I suspect the RGEM will hold serve with something more on the order of 0.75".

Yea i agree, although if you can get under a nice band i think 1.00+" might be doable. But not area wide.

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I don't know about that. The SREF are not nearly as wet as the NAM, neither is the RGEM. Discounting the 1.00" QPF or more amounts from the NAM isn't that farfetched. Until I see the RGEM come on board with those totals I will still lean towards 0.75" amounts south of NYC. The 1.00" totals are a little ridiculous.

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Totally agree , Most guidance are .75 at KNYC and 1 Philly through Monmouth.

The serf are prob the most juiced and has been consistent.

I guess if his call discount 1 to .75 that's plausible

Just not to .50. Think the guidance is north of that.

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I don't know about that. The SREF are not nearly as wet as the NAM, neither is the RGEM. Discounting the 1.00" QPF or more amounts from the NAM isn't that farfetched. Until I see the RGEM come on board with those totals I will still lean towards 0.75" amounts south of NYC. The 1.00" totals are a little ridiculous. 

I always look at the NAM with a sly eye when it prints out some of the highest QPF in all the guidance including the short range hi-res. im going to go with 4-8" for NYC-east with locally higher amounts the 8-12" amounts widespread im not totally sold on yet john

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WINTER STORM WARNING EXPANDED NORTH AND WEST AND IF YOU BELIEVE 
THE NAM...NOT ENOUGH! WE'LL AWAIT 00Z/3 GFS AND WWD GUIDANCE 
BEFORE ANY MORE CHANGES. WE ADDED A TIER OF ADVISORY ON THE 
SOUTHERN EDGE OF WARNING AREA BUT AM LESS CONFIDENT THERE OF 
ADVY. 

MY CONCERN IS PHILLY NORTH TO ALLENTOWN AND NEW BRUNSWICK. 
ITS HARD TO BELIEVE THE VOLUME OF 00Z/3 NAM QPF. 

SNOW GROWTH LOOKS VERY GOOD (20MB AT -14C) ON THE NAM NOW IN MOST 
OF OUR AREA...E PA AND NW NJ CENTERED JUST NW OF I95 AT 12Z MOVES 
JUST SE OF I95 AT 15Z AND OUT TO SEA AT 18Z. THIS HAS ME THINKING 
A 2-3 HR OF 1/4 S+ IN MANY AREAS DURING THE MORNING. THE GFS NEEDS 
TO CONFIRM BUT I AM PREPARED TO SEE THAT DEVELOP. 

FOR THOSE QUESTIONING THE WARM THICKNESS AND FCSTG HEAVY SNOW...THAT 
BOTHERS ME AS WELL BUT MY INTERPRETATION OF PCPN MICROPHYSICS IS 
IF THE COLUMN IS AT OR BELOW ZERO AND SEEDED WITH CRYSTALS FROM 
ABV... ANY ZL-/IP- ZR- CHANGES TO SNOW. THE THICKNESS IS HIGH 
BECAUSE THE ONCOMING SHORT WAVE IS WEAK (70M HFC) AND HEIGHTS 
(850-700 THICKNESS WARM) ARE HIGH LEAVING THE ENTIRE COLUMN AT 
MARGINAL JUST SUBZERO IN THE I95 AREA NWD. CIRRUS UPSTREAM IN THE 
OHIO AND TENNESSEE VALLEY AS SEEN ON 02Z SATELLITE IMAGERY IS YOUR 
SEEDER. 

THE DRIVERS FOR THE LIFT APPEAR TO ME TO BE THE 180 KT 250MB JET 
STREAK THRU MAINE AT 12Z MONDAY AND THE SW 850 WIND OF 50-55KT IN 
W NC AT 12Z MONDAY PUSHING 9C 850 DEWPOINT OUR WAY...WITH 
TREMENDOUS CONVERGENCE ALONG THE MASON DIXON LINE AT 12Z MONDAY. 

WATCH FOR POSSIBLE POWER PROBLEMS IN THE 6 INCH WET SNOW ZONE DOWN 
HERE SOMEWHERE IN S CENTRAL NJ WHERE POWER OUTAGES MAY DEVELOP?

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