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Monday Mauler or Monday Bawler? part II


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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC

305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014

MDZ501-502-WVZ050-051-055-501>506-030415-

/O.UPG.KLWX.WS.A.0002.140203T0400Z-140203T2100Z/

/O.NEW.KLWX.WS.W.0004.140203T0500Z-140203T2100Z/

EXTREME WESTERN ALLEGANY-CENTRAL AND EASTERN ALLEGANY-HAMPSHIRE-

MORGAN-HARDY-WESTERN GRANT-EASTERN GRANT-WESTERN MINERAL-

EASTERN MINERAL-WESTERN PENDLETON-EASTERN PENDLETON-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...FROSTBURG...CUMBERLAND...MOOREFIELD...

BAYARD...MOUNT STORM...PETERSBURG...ELK GARDEN...KEYSER...

FORT ASHBY...CIRCLEVILLE...FRANKLIN

305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 4 PM

EST MONDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON HAS

ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM

MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 4 PM EST MONDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO

LONGER IN EFFECT.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...4 TO 8 INCHES...LOCALLY HIGHER IN THE MOUNTAINS.

* TIMING...RAIN WILL MIX WITH SNOW AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT AND

EVENTUALLY CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW EARLY MONDAY MORNING. THE

HEAVIEST SNOW IS EXPECTED EARLY MONDAY MORNING. SNOW WILL MOVE

OUT OF THE AREA MONDAY AFTERNOON.

* TEMPERATURES...FALLING TO AROUND 30 MONDAY MORNING.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014MDZ011-VAZ026-029-040-501-030415-/O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0009.140203T1000Z-140203T2100Z/SOUTHERN BALTIMORE-ROCKINGHAM-PAGE-RAPPAHANNOCK-NORTHERN FAUQUIER-INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BALTIMORE...HARRISONBURG...WASHINGTON...WARRENTON305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 5 AM TO 4 PM ESTMONDAY...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON HASISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECTFROM 5 AM TO 4 PM EST MONDAY.* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 5 INCHES.* TIMING...RAIN WILL MIX WITH SNOW PRE-DAWN AND EVENTUALLY  CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW BY SUNRISE MONDAY MORNING. THE HEAVIEST  SNOW IS EXPECTED DURING MONDAY MORNING. SNOW WILL MOVE OUT OF  THE AREA MONDAY AFTERNOON.* TEMPERATURES...FALLING TO THE LOWER 30S MONDAY MORNING.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014MDZ009-010-VAZ042-503-504-030415-/O.UPG.KLWX.WS.A.0002.140203T0400Z-140203T2100Z//O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0009.140203T1000Z-140203T2100Z/MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-LOUDOUN-WESTERN HIGHLAND-EASTERN HIGHLAND-INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...GAITHERSBURG...COLUMBIA...LEESBURG...HIGHTOWN...MONTEREY305 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 5 AM TO 4 PM ESTMONDAY...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON HASISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECTFROM 5 AM TO 4 PM EST MONDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGERIN EFFECT.* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 5 INCHES.* TIMING...RAIN WILL MIX WITH SNOW PRE-DAWN AND EVENTUALLY  CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW BY SUNRISE MONDAY MORNING. THE HEAVIEST  SNOW IS EXPECTED DURING MONDAY MORNING. SNOW WILL MOVE OUT OF  THE AREA MONDAY AFTERNOON.* TEMPERATURES...FALLING TO THE LOWER 30S MONDAY MORNING.
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thru 9z, even though the 850 line is further east, the 0-surface line is a hair west

can't win with this storm, that is the 1 thing that is certain

 

EDIT: otoh, when precip moves in it gets cold so that may explain slightly warmer temps as it's holding precip back

According to Instantweather maps you are snow after 8 a.m., you are fretting for no reason except for the fact you usually get screwed :).

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We'll see how 18z GFS handles 850mb deformation zone but the NAM did come a bit north with it from 12z run. It takes the circulation right over DC, meh....

 

On a separate note, how ridiculous were some of the deterministic solutions over the past week? Remember the OP GFS when it took the wave off the SE coast with barely any precip?

 

 

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We'll see how 18z GFS handles 850mb deformation zone but the NAM did come a bit north with it from 12z run. It takes the circulation right over DC, meh....

 

On a separate note, how ridiculous were some of the deterministic solutions over the past week? Remember the OP GFS when it took the wave off the SE coast with barely any precip?

thanks for the info HM

you guys are gunna' get clocked...enjoy

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We'll see how 18z GFS handles 850mb deformation zone but the NAM did come a bit north with it from 12z run. It takes the circulation right over DC, meh....

 

On a separate note, how ridiculous were some of the deterministic solutions over the past week? Remember the OP GFS when it took the wave off the SE coast with barely any precip?

I made a similar comment yesterday about the washed-out wave look from a few days ago. Most of us figured we'd see a north trend of some sort, but it's gone a little too far north for many of us, and the amount of precip that it has now is just insane.

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thanks for the info HM

you guys are gunna' get clocked...enjoy

 

No problem. I've lost count on how many events we've gotten this year. But I want to see my DC brethren get something for a change.

 

I made a similar comment yesterday about the washed-out wave look from a few days ago. Most of us figured we'd see a north trend of some sort, but it's gone a little too far north for many of us, and the amount of precip that it has now is just insane.

 

Yeah...during the medium range, I remember discussing these things with you guys...that my biggest worry was it shifting too far north/warm over the silly GFS solutions. This was a classic setup where the ECMWF would be superior.

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No problem. I've lost count on how many events we've gotten this year. But I want to see my DC brethren get something for a change.

 

 

Yeah...during the medium range, I remember discussing these things with you guys...that my biggest worry was it shifting too far north/warm over the silly GFS solutions. This was a classic setup where the ECMWF would be superior.

Well the Euro has been in a pretty window in terms of temps too for the last 4 or 5 runs whereas the NAM and GFS have been jumping more. 

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