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Brian5671

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unfortunately for UPTON they are probably going to issue a Winter Storm Warning at the last minute in the Monday AM package about 3:30 am while everyone is sleeping especially if the models hang on to the higher amounts at 0Z have seen them do this before - ultra conservative ! Lets see  if Mount Holly will extend the Warnings further north - that would make Upton look foolish

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Save the NWS bashing. They don't live and die with the NAM.

Easy big guy.  The NAM, Euro, SREF and all sorts of short range models are spitting out amounts that seem to warrant a warning, especially given the heavy travel in the area tomorrow.  We're not bashing the NWS when we opine that a Warning is warranted.

 

 Fact is, who cares. 

 

It's going to snow.

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Easy big guy.  The NAM, Euro, SREF and all sorts of short range models are spitting out amounts that seem to warrant a warning, especially given the heavy travel in the area tomorrow.  We're not bashing the NWS when we opine that a Warning is warranted.

 

 Fact is, who cares. 

 

It's going to snow.

 

Its safe to say some precip will be wasted at the onset. Its in the 50's right now near the coast. We have all seen this show before. 3-5" in and around immediate NYC metro is a good call.

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Its safe to say some precip will be wasted at the onset. Its in the 50's right now near the coast. We have all seen this show before. 3-5" in and around immediate NYC metro is a good call.

That's cool.  I just think we should be able to say whether we think a warning is warranted based on model guidance --- just as you can agree with NWS.

 

Fact is, at least for my area, NWS has been unreal this year w/ their forecasted amounts --- even when some guidance was calling for higher amounts. 

 

So ---we shall see.  Again, however, it's gonna snow!

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ok to be fair to Upton they do mention higher amounts are possible - so they left the door open also don't like that mention of possible power outages - ugh

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY  
301 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014  
   
..ACCUMULATING SNOW EXPECTED ON MONDAY
 
 
CTZ005-006-009-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078-176>179-  
030415-  
/O.NEW.KOKX.WW.Y.0003.140203T1000Z-140204T0000Z/  
NORTHERN FAIRFIELD-NORTHERN NEW HAVEN-SOUTHERN FAIRFIELD-  
WESTERN PASSAIC-EASTERN PASSAIC-HUDSON-WESTERN BERGEN-  
EASTERN BERGEN-WESTERN ESSEX-EASTERN ESSEX-WESTERN UNION-  
EASTERN UNION-ORANGE-PUTNAM-ROCKLAND-NORTHERN WESTCHESTER-  
SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER-NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-BRONX-  
RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-KINGS (BROOKLYN)-NORTHWESTERN SUFFOLK-  
NORTHERN QUEENS-NORTHERN NASSAU-SOUTHERN QUEENS-SOUTHERN NASSAU-  
301 PM EST SUN FEB 2 2014  
 
...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 5 AM TO 7 PM EST  
MONDAY...  
 
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW YORK HAS ISSUED A WINTER  
WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 5 AM TO 7 PM EST  
MONDAY.  
 
* LOCATIONS...NEW YORK CITY...NORTHEASTERN NEW JERSEY...THE LOWER  
HUDSON VALLEY...SOUTHWESTERN CONNECTICUT AND WESTERN LONG ISLAND.  
 
* HAZARD TYPES...WET SNOW.  
 
* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 3 TO 5 INCHES...WITH  
LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS POSSIBLE.  
 
* WINDS...NORTH 5 TO 10 MPH TONIGHT...10 TO 15 MPH ON MONDAY.  
 
* TEMPERATURES...FALLING INTO THE MID 30S TONIGHT AND LOWER 30S  
EARLY MONDAY MORNING.  
 
* VISIBILITIES...A HALF MILE OR LESS AT TIMES MONDAY MORNING INTO  
THE EARLY AFTERNOON HOURS.  
 
* TIMING...LIGHT RAIN OR A RAIN SNOW MIX SHOULD COMMENCE WELL  
AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. AS THE PRECIPITATION BECOMES HEAVIER  
EARLY MONDAY MORNING...THE PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE TO ALL  
SNOW. THE SNOW WILL TAPER OFF FROM WEST TO EAST DURING MONDAY  
AFTERNOON...AND END BY EARLY EVENING.  
 
* IMPACTS...SNOW COVERED ROADWAYS...MAKING FOR SLIPPERY TRAVEL.  
THE WET SNOW MAY ADD EXTRA WEIGHT TO TREE BRANCHES AND POWER  
LINES...POTENTIALLY CAUSING ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES.  
 
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...  
 
A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR  
FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR  
SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE  
DRIVING.  

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If I lived in Southeast NJ I would be really worried about a significant amount of taint from this system. The high resolution forecast models are showing the 925mb low passing overhead there and during heavy precipitation the temperatures actually increase from 0.5 to 1.0 at that level. The 925mb low doesn't really close until it passes southeast of there, and by that time the best lift for heavy precipitation is streaming off the coast. 

 

I think areas Southeast of MT Holly and along the SE New Jersey shore could be really disappointed. It is easy to ignore this when looking at the models but it doesn't look very good there. 

 

Long Island looks to get really lucky with this system as the front sags just south of that latitude and the 925mb low is far enough south so that the wind direction helps to avoid any taint at all. 

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If I lived in Southeast NJ I would be really worried about a significant amount of taint from this system. The high resolution forecast models are showing the 925mb low passing overhead there and during heavy precipitation the temperatures actually increase from 0.5 to 1.0 at that level. The 925mb low doesn't really close until it passes southeast of there, and by that time the best lift for heavy precipitation is streaming off the coast. 

 

I think areas Southeast of MT Holly and along the SE New Jersey shore could be really disappointed. It is easy to ignore this when looking at the models but it doesn't look very good there. 

 

Long Island looks to get really lucky with this system as the front sags just south of that latitude and the 925mb low is far enough south so that the wind direction helps to avoid any taint at all. 

I think there could be a period of hours where literally PHL is seeing +SN while Deptford is seeing IP or even rain.

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I think there could be a period of hours where literally PHL is seeing +SN while Vineland is seeing IP or even rain.

 

I agree. The other issue is that the dynamic cooling is going to be localized into the heavy bands, which likely will be running just to the northwest of where the frontal boundary is set up. So that means that Southeast NJ may even get screwed out of that aspect of the system, with the best frontogenic forcing northwest of them. This is probably why the models are really insistent on keeping the warm layer there as the system passes to the south. 

 

Somebody from PHL to NE NJ is going to get 8", too. It's just a matter of where the best dynamics set up. It will be hard to pinpoint this until tomorrow morning. Or until the almighty HRRR tells us what we need to know. Lol.

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