February 5th beefed up swfe thread-let's get some December 2007 juju,

[HoarfrostHubb]

Haha I think it might be better here!

Agreed but Dirty Old Boston in snow photographs better

[Guvna]

Holy smokes...this is a long duration storm.

 

AGAIN JUST A SLIGHT SHIFT IN THE GUIDANCE WILL RESULT IN
CHANGES IN THE TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS. LEANED THIS FORECAST
TOWARDS A MODEL COMPROMISE WITH A LITTLE MORE EMPHASIS ON THE EC AND
WPC. OVERALL BELIEVE THAT SNOW...HEAVY AT TIMES WILL FALL ACROSS THE
MUCH OF THE REGION LATE WED NIGHT AND INTO TUESDAY.

[TalcottWx]

Agreed but Dirty Old Boston in snow photographs better

Damn straight. Do you follow the facebook group by that name? Great stuff on that page including tons of old snow pics.

[weathafella]

We're the millers!

[Cold Miser]

Harv called it one

Harvey must be trolling.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

Nice to check in this morning and see Box (and Alb) chuckin' high on their maps. Maybe double digits incoming for the N of Rt 2 crew.

[weatherMA]

Harvey must be trolling.

[ORH_wxman]

I'm not sure many of you understand what the actual definition of a Miller B is...it is simply a storm that has a primary low going through the Ohio Valley that redevelops off the coast....many SWFEs do this...so they are technically Miller Bs.

 

But in the sense of a true mid-level coastal storm....this isn't one. The mid-level centers never redevelop like they do in storms like 1/12/11, 2/8/13, 1/22/05, 12/9/05, etc. This is where Ekster and I started calling them SWFEs...because the term Miller B is pretty broadbrushed and only describing the surface low.

[dryslot]

I'm not sure many of you understand what the actual definition of a Miller B is...it is simply a storm that has a primary low going through the Ohio Valley that redevelops off the coast....many SWFEs do this...so they are technically Miller Bs.

 

But in the sense of a true mid-level coastal storm....this isn't one. The mid-level centers never redevelop like they do in storms like 1/12/11, 2/8/13, 1/22/05, 12/9/05, etc. This is where Ekster and I started calling them SWFEs...because the term Miller B is pretty broadbrushed and only describing the surface low.

 

Many do understand, I would take a whole winter full of them,There are a few that refuse to

[ORH_wxman]

Many do understand, I would take a whole winter full of them,There are a few that refuse to

 

 

Many don't also...I think people should read the bumped thread. There's some literature in there too.

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

I would hate to see some of you debate a sports play in person. "Nice 7 yard gain"..."no, it was 8 yards."...."no it wasnt, he never got past the 40 yard line, look at the replay."....."fok off, the replay doesnt prove crap." Who cares its a first down!!!

Some will get jacked others will ping and cry...weather dorks at their finest. Its gonna be a nice hump day event.

[weathafella]

Many do understand, I would take a whole winter full of them,There are a few that refuse to

Yeah in the end they spread the wealth but you have to have a good cold available for my latitude. This time we do as we often did in 2007-08 and 2008-09.

[ORH_wxman]

What do you mean? We discussed this the other day..It is a Miller B..Anything that secondaries off the coast is a Miller B. How is that tolling? This is not a true swfe flow event..hence the higher totals for the region and farther south jackpots than one might think

 

 

It absolutely is.

 

SWFEs can be miller bs...we just don't call them that since SWFE is more specific. Its essentially a Miller B with a big dryslot, think of it like that.

[CoastalWx]

I'm sorry, but a true Miller B does not have a 850 low passing overhead. It just doesn't.

[JC-CT]

I'm not sure many of you understand what the actual definition of a Miller B is...it is simply a storm that has a primary low going through the Ohio Valley that redevelops off the coast....many SWFEs do this...so they are technically Miller Bs.

But in the sense of a true mid-level coastal storm....this isn't one. The mid-level centers never redevelop like they do in storms like 1/12/11, 2/8/13, 1/22/05, 12/9/05, etc. This is where Ekster and I started calling them SWFEs...because the term Miller B is pretty broadbrushed and only describing the surface low.

Mid level center doesn't redevelop = swfe.

Mid level center redevelopes = non-swfe.

Both are miller b storms. Second subset will be stronger for NE.

Thank you Will, for putting it terms even a wx-idiot (like me) can understand.

[Baroclinic Zone]

I like the S Greens and Monadnocks to be in the highest totals.  Should see some impressive snow rates up there.  1-2"/hr.

[CoastalWx]

It absolutely is.

 

SWFEs can be miller bs...we just don't call them that since SWFE is more specific. Its essentially a Miller B with a big dryslot, think of it like that.

 

I think some people out there only think a SWFE crosses Cape Cod.

[dendrite]

By technical definition using sfc lows it's a B, but we can do better than that now. Above 850 it's more of a SWFE. Most precip processes happen above 850 so that's why we say it's still more representative of a SWFE. There's multiple things going on, but for SNE the meat and potatoes of this is a WAA thump.

And I said you were trolling Kevin because we've discussed this 2 days in a row.

[dryslot]

Yeah in the end they spread the wealth but you have to have a good cold available for my latitude. This time we do as we often did in 2007-08 and 2008-09.

 

Those 2 are basically the season i reference Jerry, You need the cold more so then here, Like 2007-08 was not very cold up here but snowed like a mofo

[ORH_wxman]

I think some people out there only think a SWFE crosses Cape Cod.

 

 

Yeah that's not true either...SWFE is just describing the mid-levels...sometimes they are miller Bs in the technical sense other times they aren't.

[ORH_wxman]

By technical definition using sfc lows it's a B, but we can do better than that now. Above 850 it's more of a SWFE. Most precip processes happen above 850 so that's why we say it's still more representative of a SWFE. There's multiple things going on, but for SNE the meat and potatoes of this is a WAA thump.

And I said you were trolling Kevin because we've discussed this 2 days in a row.

 

 

Yeah people have to remember the definitions of Miller A/B/C were in literature from the 1940s.

[Baroclinic Zone]

While I'd like BOX's snow graphic to verify, I think they may be overly bullish down in the SE MA area.  The only caveat to those totals verifying will be if the initial WAA surge is great.

[ORH_wxman]

At any rate, my guess is that the N MA to S NH/VT corridor gets the "best" of this system, but there will be a pretty wide area of warning criteria snow. Probably at least 100-150 miles wide from parts of NNE down to the south coast.

[dendrite]

Will beat me to it.

[Damage In Tolland]

I always thought a swfe was when you just had a warm push that created waa snow with no secondary . The 850 tracking along the south coast helps the vast majority of us in this one

[Ginx snewx]

Thumpidity dumpity sat on a wall.

[weathafella]

OT but yesterday's snow really was pretty clinging to everything this morning. And more on the way. I've started and ended with 6-10 for mby. More from Will to Brian to Jeff with some special love for mpm and maybe even Powderfreak.

[CoastalWx]

I always thought a swfe was when you just had a warm push that created waa snow with no secondary . The 850 tracking along the south coast helps the vast majority of us in this one

 

It's probably going to track over your fanny.

[Ginx snewx]

Starting to think I may be in the jackpot axis. I still like S VT/Monads for the highest totals though.

congrats Dendrite. Although probably an inch or two defines JP status, it will be near you from the wrap around.

[Damage In Tolland]

It's probably going to track over your fanny.

I see it going from like NYC to UUU