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February 4th-6th Overunning & Possible Coastal Threat


IsentropicLift

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There is not nearly enough of a confluent flow north of us for this system to be as amped up as the models are showing at this range. In order to get good overrunning snows here you need the trough be similar to what the GFS is indicating, but the PV cannot be split and retrograding westward like it is suggesting.

If that does occur this is certain to be a very warm storm especially aloft for most people in this area. You want to see the PV more sturdy and holding confluence over the Great Lakes and Northeast so that the moisture can overrun the cold dome.

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It`s a rain storm for the coast , but its one OP run 7 days away .

We just tracked a SB snowstorm that was on the LR for 10 days , it was locked it  and

guess what  inside 5 days its cutting to ORD .

Just chill , if you have the Ensembles this far out you use those . One OP run has one PV solution that its working off of , so there`s less confluence here . No big deal ,

But its one OP run . 

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18z GEFS coming in, if it is not like the OP dont worry

 

They're going to come in more amplified because you can already see through 120 hours that the height field over Canada has shifted west. This leads to less confluence over Southeast Canada and the Great Lakes.

 

But nobody should be "worrying" over something 150+ hours away anyway.

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They're going to come in more amplified because you can already see through 120 hours that the height field over Canada has shifted west. This leads to less confluence over Southeast Canada and the Great Lakes.

But nobody should be "worrying" over something 150+ hours away anyway.

Worrying i dont think so but in this gradient pattern having not much if any blocking in the north atlantic just made this setup ALOT more volatile. Im more interested in the following weekends possible big coastal (post mid-week). Yes this would be more widespread as far as the mid week system but i just think its going to end up warm/ rain for the coastal plain and areas east of I-95 east. Things can change for sure and they will but im not sold on this system totally john to be honest

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TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY: A POTENT LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL DEVELOP

ALONG THE GULF COAST AND RIDE NORTHEAST BY TUESDAY NIGHT AS HIGH

PRESSURE DEPARTS. OPERATIONAL RUNS HAVE BEEN VASTLY DIFFERENT FOR THE

PAST FEW DAYS AND THIS FORECAST USES THE ENSEMBLE MEANS REGARDING

THE TRACK. RIGHT NOW THE MOST PROBABLE SCENARIO WOULD BE FOR A

PRIMARY LOW TO TRACK JUST WEST OF THE APPALACHIANS AND A SECONDARY LOW

TO FORM OFF THE CAROLINAS OR DELMARVA, SIMILAR TO THE NEW 12Z ECMWF.

SNOW WOULD OVERSPREAD THE REGION AND WOULD CHANGE TO ICE AND RAIN

THEN BACK TO SNOW AS THE LOW DEPARTS. LEFT ICE OUT OF THE GRIDS FOR

NOW. THIS MATCHES THE APPROACH FROM WPC. RIGHT NOW TWO THINGS STAND

OUT WITH REGARDS TO THIS SYSTEM. THE FIRST IS HOW FAR SOUTH DOES THE

PV EXTEND. THIS WOULD LIMIT THE NORTHWARD MOVEMENT OF THIS STORM.

SECOND, IS HOW STRONG IS THE MID-LEVEL ENERGY IN THE SOUTHERN PLAINS

AS IT COMES NORTHEAST. THE STRONGER THE ENERGY THE MORE LIKELY WE

ARE TO SEE A NORTHERN CLIMB WITH THIS SYSTEM. WITH THE CONSIDERABLE

SPREAD IN SOLUTIONS OPERATIONAL RUNS WILL LIKELY FLIP AND FLOP MORE.

TEMPERATURES WILL BE HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE LOW TRACK. GIVEN THE

LIKELIHOOD FOR A LOW PRESSURE WENT FAIRLY HIGH ON CHANCE POPS.

ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW AND ICE ARE POSSIBLE BUT GIVEN THE HIGH

UNCERTAINTY IN THE DETAILS STILL SEVERAL DAYS AWAY BEFORE THOSE CAN

BE IRONED OUT.

LONG TERM...GAINES/MEOLA

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=PHI&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=on

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There is not nearly enough of a confluent flow north of us for this system to be as amped up as the models are showing at this range. In order to get good overrunning snows here you need the trough be similar to what the GFS is indicating, but the PV cannot be split and retrograding westward like it is suggesting.

If that does occur this is certain to be a very warm storm especially aloft for most people in this area. You want to see the PV more sturdy and holding confluence over the Great Lakes and Northeast so that the moisture can overrun the cold dome.

Care to elaborate on the bolded part? I would think with less of a confluent flow north of us, the amped up solution seems to make more sense. On the 18z gfs it would appear there is less of a confluent zone to the north of us therefore making the flow more supportive of amplification. I would have presumed with strong confluence to our north, most likely in association with a better situated pv, that amplification of the s/w would be less likely as the speed divergence would promote a faster more progressive flow allowing the s/w to slip under our region. 

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At the end of the day the solution thats desirable is for a weaker system to emerge out of the SE states. Confluence will only offer u so much resistance .
A full u phased system has to cut. There will b secondary reflection and there is a CAD signature and would help if we secondary sooner . When and where will depenod on how far N the primary goes. The stronger it is out of the SE the longer it holds on

A wound up system could get to buffalo and after a few inches of snow you would go to 50 like In early December
But a weaker wave would die in the S Ohio valley and then the slp at Hatteras takes over
I don't think u get those details until ur inside 3 or 4 days .

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i agree things are getting ugly quick, i understand all the variables without good blocking but there are just too many warmer solutions coming out recently to not be very concerned about the first week or two of feb being a disaster for winter wx enthusiasts and it could be ugly well north of the metro area....ie alb central ne etc

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Meh, unless we see a drastic change the 500mb pattern and budding SE ridge is not going to allow for much except for maybe a brief ice/snow start...Still will keep an eye out, but we'd need to see some drastic changes in the PV orientation to see any kind of change. 

 

Now the one that follows will certainly have a better setup to play with, but that is too far out to speculate right now. Lets get to Monday already. 

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It's been noted that models frequently showed the systems in Feb 1994 being way too phased and cutting when in reality they were much weaker and un-phased resulting in multiple snow events. Doesn't mean things will trend the same for this storm, but it's something to keep in mind during the model mayhem. 

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