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February 4th-6th Overunning & Possible Coastal Threat


IsentropicLift

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i have certainly had decent front end dumps on cutters.  u get what im saying.  no sharpe cut off to worry about lol. id rather have he wall of snow changing to sleet and ending as drizzle than watching coastal areas get clobbered as i have flurries

we have ALL had decent front ends from cutters....with a hugger you would get a full snow event....

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Yup, at hour 120 the primary is near Pitt, by 126 a sub 996mb low is off of Cape Cod, we flip back to ZR even in the city as the surface crashes.

it would NOT flip back to ZR, maybe sleet. The upper levels would cool first....I dont even need to see the maps.

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Warmer is a positive trend for 4-5 since we lost the snowstorm idea as soon as the 850 cut to BUF

and the alternative is ice. But Interior sections would still have problems if the euro doesn't trend

a little more north with CAD the closer we get.

Yes I agree with you there. Id take rain over ice any day. However, I think the "good trends" he referred to meant more of a frozen solution, which just simply isn't shown by this euro run. It's sometimes difficult reading model play by plays when some just consistently see "positive" trends that are just not shown anywhere. I mean, I have access to all of the models myself, but I appreciate the feedback from people such as yourself that bring light to the situation and inject it with the reality of what is happening and what the models are really showing

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I was just delving through CIPS analogs...this looks pretty darn close right here....2/16/93....biggest difference is much better high positioning in this event than that one, there were SE winds and no CAD but otherwise the setup at 500 over the CONUS is not a bad match at all

 

 

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1993/us0216.php

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almost every system this winter, especially the past 3 or so, have changed within 24-36 hours on the models. People were insisting that it would be a miss and most wouldn't see a flake and alas, we did. People should not live and die with every model run.

Says the guy complaining about banter. (not that I disagree with your thoughts above).

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almost every system this winter, especially the past 3 or so, have changed within 24-36 hours on the models. People were insisting that it would be a miss and most wouldn't see a flake and alas, we did. People should not live and die with every model run.

 

But the change has been NW within 72 hrs which wouldn't help us in this occasion. Our big snows

this month were initially OTS until we got closer in. Even the light snow the other day was initially

OTS.

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To me it looks like at hr 108 the primary is over the central tenn/kent border. Then it looks like it's trying transfer at hr 120 but it's a large spread that covers Pa, NJ, SW NY...so it's likely trying to show the primary dying and transfer happening somewhere over NJ. It's really hard to tell using wb. But that's probably due to a large spread in the individual members.

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The #1 analog over the east at hour 120 is now 02/14/2000

 

That was actually a major severe weather producer over the southeast US. Not much snow for the area. Some ZR for the interior.

 

None of the analogs have big snows for this area.

 

2/6/04 was the most severe ice

 

2004020712_FZRA48.png

That was a major ZR ice storm for most of central PA and New York (2/14/00). 2/7/04 was a major snow producer in central PA-up to a foot of snow in a few hours or so. Pretty much all rain near here.

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18z GFS, the high to our north looks to be holding stronger but I've been fooled before. The energy out west is amped up.

Looks like it's going to cut. The southeast ridge is poking through. Not only that, but the high looks to retreat as there is no real block to the north.

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