February 2014 General Discussion

[weatherbo]

Thanks! Do you know anywhere else I can get this kind of data?

unfortunately no. I speak to the co-op observer a few miles from me and he's at 173" so far.

Hard to find detailed snow information up here.

[DAFF]

This winter has been pretty rough, even the county plows are having trouble. *Pic from Grand Traverse Country Road Commish from last weekend.

 

 

 

Driver was more than likely at the end of the run and the truck was almost empty. Gravel roads or ones with layers of soft ice under deep snow will cause the plow vehicle to steer by the blade angle. One local truck actually flipped end over end when he caught a soft patch of gravel on a concession road the truck was a absolute mess.

[BuffaloWeather]

unfortunately no. I speak to the co-op observer a few miles from me and he's at 173" so far.

Hard to find detailed snow information up here.

 

If you find anything let me know!

[josh_4184]

You got any data for this? I have been trying to research the highest totals so far in the Great Lakes region and come up with a compiled list off of all the lakes. The Cocarahs network in Northern Michigan is rather sparse and Co-Ops only gives the last 2 month totals.

As Bo has said, sadly weather history especially snowfall is pretty sparse, your best bet is through the NWS Gaylord (APX) website. They have a whole page dedicated to winter weather has has good information. There is a location on the page that shows seasonal total maps all the way back to the 2000/2001 season.  But.But individual areas are hard to come by besides, Gaylord, Traverse City, Houghton Lake, etc.

 

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/apx/?n=winterbriefing

[josh_4184]

Here is a list compiled from the following article 2 days ago, not sure where the data came from though so not sure i f its "official" totals.

 

http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/michigans_snowfall_so_far_this.html

 

Delaware - 275.1"
Mohawk - 271.5"
Maple City - 223.3"
Houghton - 198.7"
Manistee County average - 191"
Ontanogon - 158.9"
Gaylord - 157"
Petoskey - 149"
Munising - 136.3"
East Jordan - 131.3"
Kalkaska - 126.9"
Holland - 125.5"
Traverse City - 123"
Muskegon - 121.7"
Charlevoix - 107"
Kalamazoo - 104.5"
Sault Saint Marie - 103"
Grand Rapids - 102.9"
Cadillac - 90.7"
Ann Arbor - 80.8"
Detroit - 78.5"
Flint - 71.8"
Jackson - 67.3"
Harbor Beach - 62.2"
Milford - 60.2"
West Branch - 59.6"
Owosso - 58.5"
Lansing - 56.7"
Tawas City - 55.7"
Alpena - 53.5"
Saginaw - 52"
Bad Axe - 50.5"
Houghton Lake - 50.5"
Bay City - 50"
Port Huron - 48.3"
Midland - 45"
Sandusky - 42.3"
Caro - 41.4"

[BuffaloWeather]

Here is a list compiled from the following article 2 days ago, not sure where the data came from though so not sure i f its "official" totals.

 

http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/michigans_snowfall_so_far_this.html

 

Delaware - 275.1"

Mohawk - 271.5"

Maple City - 223.3"

Houghton - 198.7"

Manistee County average - 191"

Ontanogon - 158.9"

Gaylord - 157"

Petoskey - 149"

Munising - 136.3"

East Jordan - 131.3"

Kalkaska - 126.9"

Holland - 125.5"

Traverse City - 123"

Muskegon - 121.7"

Charlevoix - 107"

Kalamazoo - 104.5"

Sault Saint Marie - 103"

Grand Rapids - 102.9"

Cadillac - 90.7"

Ann Arbor - 80.8"

Detroit - 78.5"

Flint - 71.8"

Jackson - 67.3"

Harbor Beach - 62.2"

Milford - 60.2"

West Branch - 59.6"

Owosso - 58.5"

Lansing - 56.7"

Tawas City - 55.7"

Alpena - 53.5"

Saginaw - 52"

Bad Axe - 50.5"

Houghton Lake - 50.5"

Bay City - 50"

Port Huron - 48.3"

Midland - 45"

Sandusky - 42.3"

Caro - 41.4"

 

This is awesome thanks! Crazy that Marquette has 128 inches on the year and places northwest have had double that. Usually Marquette is the winner in that region in terms of highest snowfall totals.

[josh_4184]

This is awesome thanks! Crazy that Marquette has 128 inches on the year and places northwest have had double that. Usually Marquette is the winner in that region in terms of highest snowfall totals.

NP!

[Whitelakeroy]

Areas around Toivola and Twin lakes will have have over 300"+.  Brochway Mountian in the Keewenaw will kind of like Tug Hill it just get hammered (they don't bother plowing the road and just use snowmobiles on it) ... it will have 300"+ by now.

[BuffaloWeather]

Areas around Toivola and Twin lakes will have have over 300"+.  Brochway Mountian in the Keewenaw will kind of like Tug Hill it just get hammered (they don't bother plowing the road and just use snowmobiles on it) ... it will have 300"+ by now.

 

Yeah but they actually keep official records on the tug. Can't use data unless its official from Co-Op/Cocarahs/NWS. Snowfall where no people exist don't count.

[Whitelakeroy]

NP!

Not many due N wind events as most were WNW wind events on Superior which misses Marquette and gets Grand Marias area which has been hammered too.

[BuffaloWeather]

Ok this is awesome!

 

From Tom Niziol Facebook:

 

"Wow what a great video of a snow squall coming across Toronto associated with a fast moving Low pressure system. This is not a lake-effect band but it is VERY impressive !!! This video was taken from the CTV helicopter"

 

http://www.cp24.com/...aylistPageNum=1

[weatherbo]

Areas around Toivola and Twin lakes will have have over 300"+.  Brochway Mountian in the Keewenaw will kind of like Tug Hill it just get hammered (they don't bother plowing the road and just use snowmobiles on it) ... it will have 300"+ by now.

John Dee has 51" on the ground and 250.5" for the season. I don't think he's too far from the tip area.

[josh_4184]

John Dee has 51" on the ground and 250.5" for the season. I don't think he's too far from the tip area.

 

Yea John is over in Allouez Township area, usually never the top for snowfall but always right there with everyone else in the Keweenaw area (True Gods Country Up There!)

[dmc76]

2" of snow causing significant drifting 

 

[weatherbo]

Yea John is over in Allouez Township area, usually never the top for snowfall but always right there with everyone else in the Keweenaw area (True Gods Country Up There!)

yep.... when I was a kid, my family had a cabin just west of Copper Harbor at the foot of Brockway Mtn on Superior. I remember when a local bar got a neon light in the window, the whole place was a buzz.

[weatherbo]

2" of snow causing significant drifting 

 

looks like deep winter! nice!

Have you been up this way lately?

[dmc76]

looks like deep winter! nice!

Have you been up this way lately?

 

Nope. I'm supposed to go up in April (near Maple City) to do a small job. "when the snow melts" lol

[josh_4184]

Nope. I'm supposed to go up in April (near Maple City) to do a small job. "when the snow melts" lol

 

April?? Maybe Mid May if your lucky this year lol. I was hoping to see some green on my B Day April 1st but not going to happen either at my house. Oh well maybe I can get a B-day ride in on my sled.

[weatherbo]

Nope. I'm supposed to go up in April (near Maple City) to do a small job. "when the snow melts" lol

lol.... I bet there will still be some white ground then.

[weatherbo]

April?? Maybe Mid May if your lucky this year lol. I was hoping to see some green on my B Day April 1st but not going to happen either at my house. Oh well maybe I can get a B-day ride in on my sled.

My best sled ride last season was first day of Spring... a foot of fresh powder fell in the prior 18 hours. I had snow til mid-late April last year. I predict early May there will still be glacier snow this year. I believe this pattern won't flip but slowly fade.

this will be slow to go... just took it.

[dmc76]

April?? Maybe Mid May if your lucky this year lol. I was hoping to see some green on my B Day April 1st but not going to happen either at my house. Oh well maybe I can get a B-day ride in on my sled.

 

 

 

lol.... I bet there will still be some white ground then.

 

 

I was up in that area in Mid/late April 2008 or 09 can't remember the exact year and there was still over 20" OTG so I'm thinking it will be no different this year. 

[dmc76]

Here is a list compiled from the following article 2 days ago, not sure where the data came from though so not sure i f its "official" totals.

 

http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/michigans_snowfall_so_far_this.html

 

Delaware - 275.1"

Mohawk - 271.5"

Maple City - 223.3"

Houghton - 198.7"

Manistee County average - 191"

Ontanogon - 158.9"

Gaylord - 157"

Petoskey - 149"

Munising - 136.3"

East Jordan - 131.3"

Kalkaska - 126.9"

Holland - 125.5"

Traverse City - 123"

Muskegon - 121.7"

Charlevoix - 107"

Kalamazoo - 104.5"

Sault Saint Marie - 103"

Grand Rapids - 102.9"

Cadillac - 90.7"

Ann Arbor - 80.8"

Detroit - 78.5"

Flint - 71.8"

Jackson - 67.3"

Harbor Beach - 62.2"

Milford - 60.2"

West Branch - 59.6"

Owosso - 58.5"

Lansing - 56.7"

Tawas City - 55.7"

Alpena - 53.5"

Saginaw - 52"

Bad Axe - 50.5"

Houghton Lake - 50.5"

Bay City - 50"

Port Huron - 48.3"

Midland - 45"

Sandusky - 42.3"

Caro - 41.4"

 

 

Some of those numbers are way low. No one is under 50" in the state I will almost guarantee it. Didn't Caro get 18" on the Jan4-6th storm? 

[weatherbo]

Some of those numbers are way low. No one is under 50" in the state I will almost guarantee it. Didn't Caro get 18" on the Jan4-6th storm?

way low! Charlevoix has had 157" from a reliable source and East Jordan normal snow is 120-130" and this has been anything but normal. no under 50's except maybe just north of Saginaw bay, an isolated 40 something wouldn't surprise me.

[dmc76]

way low! Charlevoix has had 157" from a reliable source and East Jordan normal snow is 120-130" and this has been anything but normal. no under 50's except maybe just north of Saginaw bay, an isolated 40 something wouldn't surprise me.

 

Maybe around Standish to Tawas might be in the upper 40's but even that is unlikely. 

[Nickysixes]

Maple City is 15 miles WNW of Traverse City. We are 9.5 miles N and are at 160" this season. Ice on Grand Traverse Bay is about the thickest it's ever been. Snowmobiles riding on that Bay to Power Island is a surreal sight. A truly special winter this has been:)

According to the NWS Traverse City Averages approximately 101.4" a year. Wow just noticed that Petosky passed my area for YTD snowfall, very impressive. I know there are a couple places in the leelanau peninsula over 220" and a couple places in the Western UP closing in on 300". 

 

Here is a list compiled from the following article 2 days ago, not sure where the data came from though so not sure i f its "official" totals.

 

http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/michigans_snowfall_so_far_this.html

 

Delaware - 275.1"[/size]Mohawk - 271.5"[/size]Maple City - 223.3"[/size]Houghton - 198.7"[/size]Manistee County average - 191"[/size]Ontanogon - 158.9"[/size]Gaylord - 157"[/size]Petoskey - 149"[/size]Munising - 136.3"[/size]East Jordan - 131.3"[/size]Kalkaska - 126.9"[/size]Holland - 125.5"[/size]Traverse City - 123"[/size]Muskegon - 121.7"[/size]Charlevoix - 107"[/size]Kalamazoo - 104.5"[/size]Sault Saint Marie - 103"[/size]Grand Rapids - 102.9"[/size]Cadillac - 90.7"[/size]Ann Arbor - 80.8"[/size]Detroit - 78.5"[/size]Flint - 71.8"[/size]Jackson - 67.3"[/size]Harbor Beach - 62.2"[/size]Milford - 60.2"[/size]West Branch - 59.6"[/size]Owosso - 58.5"[/size]Lansing - 56.7"[/size]Tawas City - 55.7"[/size]Alpena - 53.5"[/size]Saginaw - 52"[/size]Bad Axe - 50.5"[/size]Houghton Lake - 50.5"[/size]Bay City - 50"[/size]Port Huron - 48.3"[/size]Midland - 45"[/size]Sandusky - 42.3"[/size]Caro - 41.4"[/size]

[daddylonglegs]

12;30 in the afternoon in late Feb and its 2.4F   ...  insane.

 

Can't imagine how long it takes to melt that much snow, let alone the amount of snow blowing a person would have to do to keep up.  Sure wouldn't want to let anything get buried.

[josh_4184]

Maybe around Standish to Tawas might be in the upper 40's but even that is unlikely. 

I never said those numbers were official or 100% accurate  

[beavis1729]

INL hit -36 this morning, with a min wind chill of -43.  Broke the daily record of -30 set in 1919 and 1962. 

 

It was the 2nd coldest temp on record for so late in the season (it hit -38 on 3/1/1962). 

 

Normal low is 4.

[josh_4184]

Maple City is 15 miles WNW of Traverse City. We are 9.5 miles N and are at 160" this season. Ice on Grand Traverse Bay is about the thickest it's ever been. Snowmobiles riding on that Bay to Power Island is a surreal sight. A truly special winter this has been:)

 

I can't believe that in only 15 miles you can go from 230" in Maple City down to "only" 124" in Traverse City, although I am inclined to believe the TC number since I believe its coming from Munson and NWS. I know LES is very localized but 100" in 15 miles would be very impressive and incredible.  Although comparing Gaylord to Houghton is pretty similar I suppose, but Traverse is considered in a Snowbelt especially the NNW flows. But we haven't had to many of those this year.  There seems to be a un ordinary amount of WSW flows which would probably explain why may areas to my West have as well as my area or better compared to long term averages. 

[Geos]

12;30 in the afternoon in late Feb and its 2.4F   ...  insane.

 

Can't imagine how long it takes to melt that much snow, let alone the amount of snow blowing a person would have to do to keep up.  Sure wouldn't want to let anything get buried.

 

Yeah the daytime is going to be nuts. Probably only 7° or so here.