snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Toronto is above normal for the year thus far? Technically, yes. However, considering we've seen about 1/2 the total snow SE MI has, and are basically the least snowiest place on the continent east of the MS river and north of 41N, I think we should have a little room to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Technically, yes. However, considering we've seen about 1/2 the total snow SE MI has, and are basically the least snowiest place on the continent east of the MS river and north of 41N, I think we should have a little room to complain. If you end up below normal for the year feel free to complain. Based upon what is on the maps forthcoming I don't see you guys ending up below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 00z RGEM QPF snow map. Very tight gradient across the Toronto Golden Horseshoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 0z RGEM not as hideous as I thought. Still hanging on at 0z Sunday, although likely not for long. Over 1/2 an inch of QPF down by this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you end up below normal for the year feel free to complain. Based upon what is on the maps forthcoming I don't see you guys ending up below normal. Dont be surprised if it does end up below normal when all is said and done. We've seen all kinds of extremes in recent years and last minute snow droughts after a nice start is always a possibility....Unless we get a March 1870 again, which had 62" alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 GFS going 8-10 for Chicago area now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Technically, yes. However, considering we've seen about 1/2 the total snow SE MI has, and are basically the least snowiest place on the continent east of the MS river and north of 41N, I think we should have a little room to complain. I agree with you for the most part, although this is tempered by my realization and acceptance that Toronto is generally not a snowy city compared to pretty much everywhere around it. Remember that two years ago you were telling me to temper my expectations after I moved home from Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Dont be surprised if it does end up below normal when all is said and done. We've seen all kinds of extremes in recent years and last minute snow droughts after a nice start is always a possibility....Unless we get a March 1870 again, which had 62" alone You take this too seriously. Like everyone I want more snow, but it's only the end of January and February tends to be much snowier than January. This has been an epic and historic winter in more ways than just snow for eastern north America. 30 years from now, even if we DID get below normal snowfall, this winter will always be remembered because of the ice storm and then the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you end up below normal for the year feel free to complain. Based upon what is on the maps forthcoming I don't see you guys ending up below normal. I doubt we end up below normal either. But if Toronto clocks in with 50" at the end of the season (a bit above normal) and Detroit gets within spitting distance of 100", I think we reserve the right to legitimately complain. 50" difference in just 200 miles without LES to account for it. That's some bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 NAM/GFS agreement on 8" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Based on the latest 00z model suite (including the new GFS run), there is decent consensus for a 3-6" wet snow changing to rain event for the Toronto area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I agree with you for the most part, although this is tempered by my realization and acceptance that Toronto is generally not a snowy city compared to pretty much everywhere around it. Remember that two years ago you were telling me to temper my expectations after I moved home from Ottawa. Your expectations should not include Detroit/Chicago x2ing your snowfall. That's a legit. gripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I doubt we end up below normal either. But if Toronto clocks in with 50" at the end of the season (a bit above normal) and Detroit gets within spitting distance of 100", I think we reserve the right to legitimately complain. 50" difference in just 200 miles without LES to account for it. That's some bad luck. I can agree with this. Winds have really picked up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I doubt we end up below normal either. But if Toronto clocks in with 50" at the end of the season (a bit above normal) and Detroit gets within spitting distance of 100", I think we reserve the right to legitimately complain. 50" difference in just 200 miles without LES to account for it. That's some bad luck. A storm track for Detroit isn't going to always be good for Toronto, we both know this so there is no connection here. If Windsor or London got 50" then your point would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You take this too seriously. Like everyone I want more snow, but it's only the end of January and February tends to be much snowier than January. This has been an epic and historic winter in more ways than just snow for eastern north America. 30 years from now, even if we DID get below normal snowfall, this winter will always be remembered because of the ice storm and then the cold. On average, we see more snow than Chicago and Detroit, yet in recent years, there far exceeding their seasonal expectations while we can barely make our own. In a broader picture, Yes, this winter will be remembered as being Historic, but narrow it down to just Toronto and its far from historic aside from the Ice storm. If nothing materializes in the coming weeks, I shall wash this Winter away with some Vodka and Beer in the summer, just like I have every Winter in recent years. BTW GFS coming in cooler. Stays all snow north of 401. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Based on the latest 00z model suite (including the new GFS run), there is decent consensus for a 3-6" wet snow changing to rain event for the Toronto area. Yeah, on second thought, I think the bottom end of my 2-4" call is too low. 2" would require another NW adjustment of the furthest NW models NAM/RGEM. I like 3-5" with maybe 6" up near Snowstorms and OB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Based on the latest 00z model suite (including the new GFS run), there is decent consensus for a 3-6" wet snow changing to rain event for the Toronto area. Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. Huh? It's Feb1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. It is February 1st not March 30th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestChaser Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. Lol what? It's february... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Good grief some of you Torontonians will find anything to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 A storm track for Detroit isn't going to always be good for Toronto, we both know this so there is no connection here. If Windsor or London got 50" then your point would make sense. And a storm track that's good for Toronto isn't always going to be good for Detroit. What's your point? Those are the exceptions though. There's a reason the two cities average ~48" and ~44" respectively. They're climatologically similar. In fact it makes less sense to compare Toronto to London because London is in a belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 That ice threat is concerning, Keener, for those of us se and east of Chi town, even if winds are progged to remain fairly low. That much precip as zr would be astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Good grief some of you Torontonians will find anything to complain about. No kidding. Gets annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately much of the snow is forecast to fall during daylight hours. We're getting to the time of year where it won't accumulate until late afternoon/evening. This system looks to have some strong dynamics, so daylight won't be a factor as the snow will fall at a good clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 And a storm track that's good for Toronto isn't always going to be good for Detroit. What's your point? Those are the exceptions though. There's a reason the two cities average ~48" and ~44" respectively. They're climatologically similar. In fact it makes less sense to compare Toronto to London because London is in a belt. Yes and they are averages and not every year are they equal... This year the storm track doesn't favor Toronto, it has favored here and Chicago, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Good grief some of you Torontonians will find anything to complain about. How about you do this? Compare every Major urban City surrounding Toronto including the East Coast since 2008-09 and you tell me what isnt their to complain about? And on that note, goodluck trying to find one good element. Kind of getting OT, sorry guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Well anyways GFS shows 4-6" south of 59 to Monroe. 6-8" north. Could be FAR worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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