Harry Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Lansing's warmest winter is actually 1889-1890 but they didn't have records in 1877-1878. But 1877-1878 is the warmest on record for Minneapolis, Chicago, Duluth, and Madison, WI...and its actually not particularly close. Not sure if that winter would get Lansing for warmest anyway since Michigan seemed to be a bit east of the warmest anomalies that winter. Plus they got absolutely torched in 1889-1890 and 1881-1882 moreso than west of them. As Michigansnowfreak already said, its a strange period in the records....so many top warmest winters in that region in a fairly short timespan...especially given the base climate. If people like extreme weather now, they would have loved the 1870s-1880s...tons of big hurricane landfalls on the EC and some obscene warmth and obscene cold mixed in. Thanks. Could have sworn they did have records? Ofcourse the page they had ( NWS GRR ) for Lansing/Grand Rapids and Muskegon ) is now gone since they launched the new NowData section? Weird.. I did forget about 1889-90 though. And yeah that was a epic period for sure for the extremes. Then came the 1920s-1950s.. God help our subforum if we ever see a period like that again in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Lansing's warmest winter is actually 1889-1890 but they didn't have records in 1877-1878. But 1877-1878 is the warmest on record for Minneapolis, Chicago, Duluth, and Madison, WI...and its actually not particularly close. Not sure if that winter would get Lansing for warmest anyway since Michigan seemed to be a bit east of the warmest anomalies that winter. Plus they got absolutely torched in 1889-1890 and 1881-1882 moreso than west of them. As Michigansnowfreak already said, its a strange period in the records....so many top warmest winters in that region in a fairly short timespan...especially given the base climate. If people like extreme weather now, they would have loved the 1870s-1880s...tons of big hurricane landfalls on the EC and some obscene warmth and obscene cold mixed in. whats interesting is that in detroit...the all time warmest winter on record is 1881-82...and #3 is 1889-90. Yet 1877-78 is "only" the 11th warmest. Also as said featured a few big snowstorms. Im wondering if the core of the warmth was centered to the west while we had a mild but not disastrously warm winter here. Kind of like how warm it was im 2009-10 in nne but cold to the south. Lansings snow records go to 1864...so I will have to do something looking into why 1877 temp records aren't listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Still seeing pictures and reports of ice left over on lake superior. http://www.livescience.com/46233-photos-summer-icebergs-in-lake-superior.html http://news.yahoo.com/surprise-icebergs-spotted-lake-superior-140245612.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallsLake Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Why was there so much ice on the Great Lakes this winter? The below article (tries to) explains that it could be from global warming: http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/why-arctic-sea-ice-record-low-great-lakes-ice-record-high-20140223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Still seeing pictures and reports of ice left over on lake superior. http://www.livescience.com/46233-photos-summer-icebergs-in-lake-superior.html http://news.yahoo.com/surprise-icebergs-spotted-lake-superior-140245612.html That's actually pretty cool to see ice in June. (No pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Why was there so much ice on the Great Lakes this winter? The below article (tries to) explains that it could be from global warming: http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/why-arctic-sea-ice-record-low-great-lakes-ice-record-high-20140223 From the constant below average cold over the lakes through out the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 From the constant below average cold over the lakes through out the winter. ncep_cfsr_noram_t2m_djf_anom.png Right! It was Michigans 4th coldest winter on record (statewide ranks go to 1895). I heard from a local who goes ice fishing on inland lakes (since the 1950s) said he has never seen ice as thick as it was this winter. In mild winters the ice (at least downstate) will be of a thickness that is not safe for ice fishing, but this year the ice, like the snow on the ground, was several feet deep statewide. This past winter will live on in lore, and rightly so, because the combination of thick ice, brutal cold, strong winds, and continuous heavy, deep snow is one that will not be seen again in our lifetimes. One would think a winter of record cold and ice would not have brought with it record snow, but it did. The NWS Marquette posts some good tidbits on facebook, and there is still snow in spots deep in the woods, as well as some ice bergs on Lake Superior. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/06/07/dnr-warden-spots-icebergs-on-lake-superior/#.U5ZeonRkq3I.facebook The only visual remnants left of our record winter HERE (other than pictures) are the random trees that died due to the winter...but the long winter caused a late spring greenup which means that spring allergies are sky high as we approach mid-June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Why was there so much ice on the Great Lakes this winter? The below article (tries to) explains that it could be from global warming: http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/why-arctic-sea-ice-record-low-great-lakes-ice-record-high-20140223 Alarmist damage control..... Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The graph "looks" flat but if you linearly regress it, then its an upward trend in temps anyway. Not a huge upward trend, but there. It also looks flatter too because Niziol includes the late 1870s/ early 1880s which had some absolute torch winters...documented pretty well in the midwest and lakes (1877-1878 remains the warmest winter on record for a ton of sites out there that were recording data that far back). Those winters are usually not on other graphs since most of the NCDC stuff starts in 1895. Ha so just conveniently cut off the warmer winters of yesteryear to make it seem as if it is warming? That's not in very good taste sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 We are seeing again another year of high ice coverage over the great lakes with the ongoing impressive cold spell so far this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 so much for people saying they might never see it again last year looks a little less but close and pattern looks cold so its going to build We are seeing again another year of high ice coverage over the great lakes with the ongoing impressive cold spell so far this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 so much for people saying they might never see it again last year looks a little less but close and pattern looks cold so its going to build Yea the Euro is showing 5 day average 850 temps 7-12c below average over the whole area through day 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelathos Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Visually, very impressive. Think we can get all 5 iced over? Between the two remaining, which one will be more stubborn and not ice over? Michigan or Ontario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Visually, very impressive. Think we can get all 5 iced over? Between the two remaining, which one will be more stubborn and not ice over? Michigan or Ontario? Probably Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 #Historyisbeingmade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Lake Michigan should be finished off by Sunday, assuming no major wind is forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Still seeing pictures and reports of ice left over on lake superior. http://www.livescience.com/46233-photos-summer-icebergs-in-lake-superior.html http://news.yahoo.com/surprise-icebergs-spotted-lake-superior-140245612.html i went on a Pictured Rocks boat tour back in August, the narrator of the tour said that there was some ice left under a shaded overhang on one of the shores on July 4th... Latest he has ever heard of that happening. We need a cold March and April to have that repeat itself again. I think May was slightly above normal, as well as June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Lake Michigan should be finished off by Sunday, assuming no major wind is forecast. Granted my knowledge of how long it would take to freeze is kinda limited, but it seems hard to believe if this map is close to being accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Granted my knowledge of how long it would take to freeze is kinda limited, but it seems hard to believe if this map is close to being accurate mswt-00.gif This has to be taken a certain depth below the surface, perhaps a few feet? We have frozen ice in spots that show 35+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantHiatus Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 The Delaware Bay is colder than the vast majority of Lake Michigan and located at lower laditude. That Lake Michigan really packs on the heat during the summer. Imagine what would happen if we had real summers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 its the depth of the lake has nothing to do with summer warming The Delaware Bay is colder than the vast majority of Lake Michigan and located at lower laditude. That Lake Michigan really packs on the heat during the summer. Imagine what would happen if we had real summers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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