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Southern Ontario Winter '13/'14 Discussion


harrisale

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There was no need to quote my post to begin with. It had no beneficial purpose. Please let others enjoy the forum by not singling them out and scrutinizing them out of the blue, thanks in advance!  :wub:

 

Dude, as i stated a few times i quoted your post to demonstrate my difference of opinion at the time..

Everyone quotes others (including yourself) to show difference of opinion or agreement.

 

Your calls yesterday have drifted away to something new today. So be it.  lol

It is a weather forum after all.

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Dude, as i stated a few times i quoted your post to demonstrate my difference of opinion at the time..

Everyone quotes others (including yourself) to show difference of opinion or agreement.

 

Your calls yesterday have drifted away to something new today. So be it.  lol

It is a weather forum after all.

:rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

Using the ptype maps, I'd agree. Flushes any chance of EC beefing up the totals since they're the RGEM'S b**ch.

:lol:  :lol:

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TO and London have pretty well verbatim the same forecast from EC which includes snow changing to rain.   You don't see that happening and cutting into totals?

 

I'm not willing to buy wholesale into the all snow solutions, especially since the 6z NAM backed off and is now a bit warmer. So I wouldn't have gone with a warning or anything. But no one in Toronto is going to see just 5cm. They should have bumped the totals into the 10-15 range, which is more reasonable. London is a bit more precarious. Probably a N-S gradient in the city but north of Highway 2 expect closer to 10 I think.

 

Maybe they got spooked by the warmer overnight temps. I don't know.

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EC doesn't even budge accums up a bit. They are truly incompetent.

The 5-10cm call makes little to no sense to me. Short range models are looking good, keeping most of the GTA besides the lake shore as all snow. It's not too often you see the ARW, NMM, RAP and HRRR singing a similar tune at this range, although their are some notable QPF differences between them. I am a bit concerned about the over performing sfc temps but low level temps seem on track with model projections ATM. Feeling pretty confident most, if not all of the GTA, exceeds the 3-4" mark.

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The 5-10cm call makes little to no sense to me. Short range models are looking good, keeping most of the GTA besides the lake shore as all snow. It's not too often you see the ARW, NMM, RAP and HRRR singing a similar tune at this range, although their are some notable QPF differences between them. I am a bit concerned about the over performing sfc temps but low level temps seem on track with model projections ATM. Feeling pretty confident most, if not all of the GTA, exceeds the 3-4" mark.

 

Yeah, even if the weenie band sets up along Highway 7 we seem to be a lock for at least 4" prior to the changeover. I noticed Toronto Island is at -0.7c already though :axe:. Don't want to read too much into that but I would be a little jittery if I was right along the lake.

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Yeah, even if the weenie band sets up along Highway 7 we seem to be a lock for at least 4" prior to the changeover. I noticed Toronto Island is at -0.7c already though :axe:. Don't want to read too much into that but I would be a little jittery if I was right along the lake.

Even getting a little concerned as far north as here. The euro 2m temps were way too cold compared to reality(known bias)... projecting a temp of -7.2c right now. In reality I am at -1.1c IMBY. 0.7" of QPF is encouraging, however.

ECMWF Deterministic FORECAST FOR: YYZ    LAT=  43.67 LON=  -79.63 ELE=   568

                                            00Z FEB01

                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000 

                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500 

                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK 

SAT 06Z 01-FEB  -6.0    -8.2    1022      85      42    0.00     545     528    

SAT 12Z 01-FEB  -7.2    -7.0    1023      89      98    0.00     548     531    

SAT 18Z 01-FEB  -2.8    -5.3    1018      93      99    0.08     551     536    

SUN 00Z 02-FEB  -1.7    -3.1    1012      98      96    0.33     550     540    

SUN 06Z 02-FEB  -0.8    -3.2    1011      97      96    0.25     547     538    

SUN 12Z 02-FEB  -3.3    -5.6    1015      89      68    0.04     544     532    

SUN 18Z 02-FEB  -2.5    -8.2    1018      70      47    0.00     541     527

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Even getting a little concerned as far north as here. The euro 2m temps were way too cold compared to reality(known bias)... projecting a temp of -7.2c right now. In reality I am at -1.1c IMBY. 0.7" of QPF is encouraging, however.

ECMWF Deterministic FORECAST FOR: YYZ    LAT=  43.67 LON=  -79.63 ELE=   568

                                            00Z FEB01

                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000 

                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500 

                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK 

SAT 06Z 01-FEB  -6.0    -8.2    1022      85      42    0.00     545     528    

SAT 12Z 01-FEB  -7.2    -7.0    1023      89      98    0.00     548     531    

SAT 18Z 01-FEB  -2.8    -5.3    1018      93      99    0.08     551     536    

SUN 00Z 02-FEB  -1.7    -3.1    1012      98      96    0.33     550     540    

SUN 06Z 02-FEB  -0.8    -3.2    1011      97      96    0.25     547     538    

SUN 12Z 02-FEB  -3.3    -5.6    1015      89      68    0.04     544     532    

SUN 18Z 02-FEB  -2.5    -8.2    1018      70      47    0.00     541     527

 

I suspect we'll cool a bit with the onset of pcpn but there may be more bl struggles than I had anticipated. Wait and see mode at this point. 

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I'm not willing to buy wholesale into the all snow solutions, especially since the 6z NAM backed off and is now a bit warmer. So I wouldn't have gone with a warning or anything. But no one in Toronto is going to see just 5cm. They should have bumped the totals into the 10-15 range, which is more reasonable. London is a bit more precarious. Probably a N-S gradient in the city but north of Highway 2 expect closer to 10 I think.

 

Maybe they got spooked by the warmer overnight temps. I don't know.

 

Thanks for the feedback.   These marginal situations have a bad habit of turning out more wet than white so I'll be pleasantly suprised if it stays all snow.

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Thanks for the feedback.   These marginal situations have a bad habit of turning out more wet than white so I'll be pleasantly suprised if it stays all snow.

 

Normally I'd agree although this year has had better outcomes at least in Toronto (Jan 5 and the ice storm - if you want to call that a better outcome than just plain rain).

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33f here. Torching.

 

Synoptically everything looks great (no major NW shifts) so I really can't explain this. Maybe it's the onshore flow? That'd explain why Hamilton and London are colder.

 

I do think dynamic cooling will take care of a lot of this warmth but my 4-6" call is not on the strongest of foundations right now.

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