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Southern Ontario Winter '13/'14 Discussion


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Think we got our first true niphering of the season at YYZ. 2mm yesterday. Unless they had 30:1 ratios that's going to be awfully low compared to some of the reports I've heard.

 

The Nipher was no match for the strong winds yesterday, lol. I swear the YYZ area got atleast 2-3cm from that LES band alone in the morning. Will be interesting to see how much that equates to in terms of snowfall in the morning. ButtonVille recorded 1.6mm yesterday btw. 

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Pearson finishes this weekend of clippers and LES (Fri-Mon) with with ~8.5 cm of snow. Matches North York areas also closer to the airport, and downtown as well.

 

Downtown picked up 11.8cm from the two clippers through 7am yesterday. North York 9.8cm. And probably a bit more fell with the LES band afterwards as it swung through for both locales. Pearson's number is low, at least for the 2nd clipper. 

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Downtown picked up 11.8cm from the two clippers through 7am yesterday. North York 9.8cm. And probably a bit more fell with the LES band afterwards as it swung through for both locales. Pearson's number is low, at least for the 2nd clipper.

I think we just witnessed the first "Nipher Moment" of the season, LOL. January will finish off with near average snowfall. Seasonal total now stands at 65.7cm.

Made it down to -20C this morning at YYZ. Strong winds prevented temps from dropping further.

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I don't think it was much of a nipher moment at all. Maybe 1cm blew out but it matched exactly what I've seen in areas near Pearson and most areas downtown.

 

Well, I can't really argue 'cause I'm not there. I know it was pouring snow for about an hour as that LES band stalled over the airport yesterday morning. Like Snowstorms said, that alone would have probably dropped 2+cm.

 

But you are saying you think the downtown number is too high?

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Well, I can't really argue 'cause I'm not there. I know it was pouring snow for about an hour as that LES band stalled over the airport yesterday morning. Like Snowstorms said, that alone would have probably dropped 2+cm.

 

But you are saying you think the downtown number is too high?

 

I had green grass Sunday morning and walking around downtown I say no more than trace amounts on the side of the streets.

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I had green grass Sunday morning and walking around downtown I say no more than trace amounts on the side of the streets.

The downtown station is located at the University of Toronto St. George campus at Trinity College near Varsity stadium/Queens Park. There was a nice cover of snow Friday afternoon (approx 5-6 cm) before the snow started later that night. And I personally walked by the station Sunday evening around 7 pm and there was about 9 cm on the ground (another 3-4 cm fell later overnight into Monday morning). For the 2nd clipper, downtown reported 6.1 cm while East York got 7.2 cm. East York was slightly in a better spot Sunday as they got more of the lake enhanced snow that day.

Plus, the poster Torontonian mentioned that around 4 cm fell in his area by Saturday morning for the 1st clipper and he's located near the downtown station. Downtown reported 4.2 cm for the 24th (up to 7 am on the 25th) and another 1.5 cm for the 25th (including the brief Arctic squall around noon). So, the downtown numbers are reasonable.

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I had green grass Sunday morning and walking around downtown I say no more than trace amounts on the side of the streets.

 

I think WestCoaster lives in the heart of the Snow Dome, lmao. The place where no snow lover would want to be, haha. 

 

The downtown area around UFT has about 10cm on the ground. My area has about 25-30cm. 

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The downtown station is located at the University of Toronto St. George campus at Trinity College near Varsity stadium/Queens Park. There was a nice cover of snow Friday afternoon (approx 5-6 cm) before the snow started later that night. And I personally walked by the station Sunday evening around 7 pm and there was about 9 cm on the ground (another 3-4 cm fell later overnight into Monday morning). For the 2nd clipper, downtown reported 6.1 cm while East York got 7.2 cm. East York was slightly in a better spot Sunday as they got more of the lake enhanced snow that day.

Plus, the poster Torontonian mentioned that around 4 cm fell in his area by Saturday morning for the 1st clipper and he's located near the downtown station. Downtown reported 4.2 cm for the 24th (up to 7 am on the 25th) and another 1.5 cm for the 25th (including the brief Arctic squall around noon). So, the downtown numbers are reasonable.

 

I'm about a 20 minute walk from Varsity stadium (I live close to the Rosedale valley area). Western areas did much better Friday night as virtually nothing fell here. The wind blew away whatever was on the ground and I had trace amounts in the green grass.

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I'm about a 20 minute walk from Varsity stadium (I live close to the Rosedale valley area). Western areas did much better Friday night as virtually nothing fell here. The wind blew away whatever was on the ground and I had trace amounts in the green grass.

Yeah, areas west of Yonge St. did much better with the Friday-Saturday system. Only 2 cm fell in East York.

There can sharp differences in snowfall within the downtown core. I remember an event back on Dec. 9, 2009 where temps were just above freezing. Plain rain fell along the immediate Toronto lakeshore that early morning while areas north of Queen St, including the U of T station, picked up 3 cm of slushy wet snow before everyone changed to rain later that morning.

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The downtown station is located at the University of Toronto St. George campus at Trinity College near Varsity stadium/Queens Park. There was a nice cover of snow Friday afternoon (approx 5-6 cm) before the snow started later that night. And I personally walked by the station Sunday evening around 7 pm and there was about 9 cm on the ground (another 3-4 cm fell later overnight into Monday morning). For the 2nd clipper, downtown reported 6.1 cm

Is there link to this downtown stations data? I live about 250 m. directly west of site.

 

Yup, currently about 10 cm on ground here. Mostly fluff from yesterday.

 

At least there is couple of things to watch over next week or so.

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Is there link to this downtown stations data? I live about 250 m. directly west of site.

Yup, currently about 10 cm on ground here. Mostly fluff from yesterday.

At least there is couple of things to watch over next week or so.

Here's the link the downtown Toronto station data:

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?timeframe=2&Prov=ONT&StationID=5051&dlyRange=1840-03-01|2014-01-26&Year=2014&Month=1&Day=01

Records go back to 1840. Rainfall, snowfall, total precipitation and snow depth are taken daily from November 1st to mid-April by a manned weather observer under contract with Environment Canada. Daily temperature, total precip and snow depth are taken year-round at an automated station (Toronto City) located at the same location as the manned site.

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?timeframe=2&Prov=ONT&StationID=31688&dlyRange=2002-06-04|2014-01-27&Year=2014&Month=1&Day=01

And yes, I'm cautiously optimistic about the next few weeks. If things fall in the right place, we could see huge snow depths.

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Was liking the general agreement(given how far out it is) between the GEM/Euro/GFS for the Feb 5th event for our area...18z GFS seems to have shifted further south giving Ohio Valley through the Eastern States the major hit, though that is only one run and seems to eject a fair bit to late. Climatologically speaking the general pattern starting Feb favours a good event locally. Will have to see how models handle the changes as we draw closer. Regarding Saturday's system....model agreement doesn't seem to good. Euro has the low cutting through far SW ON or SE MI, probably all precip types here with plain rain at one point....GFS opposite keeping us all snow...with GGEM somewhere in between. Of course its to far out to get into detail....lots of fun ahead to say the least. 

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http://meteocentre.com/reanalyses/get_reanalyses.php?lang=en&mod=20cr&area=na

 

Nice reanalysis site. Actually goes back into the 19th century. Finally got a chance to see what Dec 11-12, 1944 looked like. Basically a miller-B inland runner. 978mb near Albany, NY at 18z 12/12/44.

 

Wow, what a beauty storm that must have been, lol. Hoping we can get another storm like that in the coming 1-2 weeks as the pattern revs up. 

 

Amazing site! Thanks! :) 

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http://meteocentre.com/reanalyses/get_reanalyses.php?lang=en&mod=20cr&area=na

 

Nice reanalysis site. Actually goes back into the 19th century. Finally got a chance to see what Dec 11-12, 1944 looked like. Basically a miller-B inland runner. 978mb near Albany, NY at 18z 12/12/44.

 

Great link! Hadn't discovered this section of the UQAM site. 

 

Was actually just talking to my dad about this storm. He wasn't alive at the time, but has distinct memories of HIS dad talking about what an epic storm it was.

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http://meteocentre.com/reanalyses/get_reanalyses.php?lang=en&mod=20cr&area=na

 

Nice reanalysis site. Actually goes back into the 19th century. Finally got a chance to see what Dec 11-12, 1944 looked like. Basically a miller-B inland runner. 978mb near Albany, NY at 18z 12/12/44.

 

 

Thanks for sharing that.  I like those reanalysis graphics better than others I've seen.

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Dufferin County has declared a state of emergency after being continuously pounded by snow squalls and whiteouts. Another blowing snow warning has just been issued for the county, and EC even mentions avoiding that area all together if travelling.

 

http://www.cp24.com/news/opp-officer-injured-in-crash-dufferin-county-declares-state-of-emergency-1.1661538

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