Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 78 - 96 both a week or so b4 I know we had a snow/ice event here on the 2nd, but don't remember if it was a blizzard for the ohio valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wxoutlooksblog Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Ohio Valley blizzard occurred on January 26-27, 1978. Big east coast storm was Feb 5th-6th. WX/PT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The Ohio Valley blizzard occurred on January 26-27, 1978. I know we had a snow/ice event here on the 2nd, but don't remember if it was a blizzard for the ohio valley Was Dec 10 95 midwest , 3 weeks before , not as close as 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Was Dec 10 95 midwest , 3 weeks before , not as close as 78 Not there was one on 1/2/96. I found it on Ray's site. Looks like Indiana and upstate NY got hammered. http://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/1996/02-Jan-96.html Looks like the 2nd low formed too late for us to get good snow http://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/1996/02-Jan-96-SurfaceMaps.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I wouldn't get overly excited or down on a particular solution for several more days at least. There's tremendous chaos in a pattern like this. However, we want a weaker trough and as much high latitude blocking as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Not there was one on 1/2/96. I found it on Ray's site. Looks like Indiana and upstate NY got hammered. http://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/1996/02-Jan-96.html wow it was that close . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 wow it was that close . Yeah I Remember the event and being frustrated. Didn't realize 5 days later it would be a distant memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 78 had something similar I believe. Big ohio valley blizzard and then the big east coast storm (2/6-7). Not sure how far apart the storms were but I know its been talked about alot That was one of the wildest winter patterns we have seen here in such a short time. 1-13....78 Ice Storm 1-20....78 Surprise KU 1-26....78 Cleveland Superbomb 2-5 to 2-7-78..Blizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 12z JMA is really amped up. Even more so than the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 That was one of the wildest winter patterns we have seen here in such a short time. 1-13....78 Ice Storm 1-20....78 Surprise KU 1-26....78 Cleveland Superphasebomb 2-5 to 2-7-78..Blizzard and then it was over after 2/7...that was the only measureable snow that month.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I feel really good about us having at least one more big storm. The fact that the subtropical jet is going to get much more active coupled with the fact that we maintain the -EPO and have an ample region of cold air nearby gives me a lot of hope heading forward. It'll just take some time. The storm on the 5th should push the SE ridging further away making way for another huge storm coming out of the SW the week after or the 8-15th period and that could produce a MECS, if not a HECS. My bold statement is that February will be the snowiest month this winter because of continued cold, continued -EPO, AO leaning negative, and a much more active subtropical jet stream. Any transient high latitude blocking would strongly increase these odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 and then it was over after 2/7...that was the only measureable snow that month.... 96 was like that too. One minor event the Friday after then we torched, all the snow melted and it remained mild and snowless until February. I guess the atmosphere was just snowed out after such huge events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 We want the flatter less amped 500 mb evolution of 0z so the SE Ridge doesn't get pumped up. It's pretty typical for the OP euro to move the PV around a lot in Canada day 8-10 from run to run. 0z OLd.gif 12z Geopotential3250032hPa32and32Temperature32at3285032hPa_North32America_192.gif one of those maps is a perfect example of what can occur when you have a -pna/+nao...ill let you guess which one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Ridge gives way D 11 ( 8 th ) on the 0z Euro Ensembles so I like Week 2 better than week 1 . Week 1 has too much ridging in the SE and the slightest bit of deepening and any system will cut . Week 2 has a Minus 5c 5 day mean as per CFSV2 ,with close to `1.5 qpf , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 78 had something similar I believe. Big ohio valley blizzard and then the big east coast storm (2/6-7). Not sure how far apart the storms were but I know its been talked about alot the ohio valley blizzard was in late january. There was a KU a week before for the NE (and the big one about 2 weeks later) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 one of those maps is a perfect example of what can occur when you have a -pna/+nao...ill let you guess which one Yeah, too much amplification is never your friend in a gradient pattern. 1-17-94 was the worst example of this since it kept NYC from a 60" season. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/ewall/NARR/1994/us0117.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 My comparisons to 78 and 96 etc systens are because I believe this is a big ticket winter and when it's all said and done it will b one that many look back on and say wow that was a layup I think we finish strong. I think Feb is as good as Dec and jan if that happens colts neck may finish w 50 inches of snow which is twice the norm. Sitting at 36 now Temps for jan and Feb may finish in the top 3 in the last 20 years that's a big winter. Some of u think this is par for the course. Wish u lived in the 80s If Feb is good then the winter totals up to b great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yeah, too much amplification is never your friend in a gradient pattern. 1-17-94 was the worst example of this since it kept NYC from a 60" season. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/ewall/NARR/1994/us0117.php But was awesome for me out in State College, 110" of snow that winter and snow on the ground from Dec. 19th thru late March. Talk about being spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 But was awesome for me out in State College, 110" of snow that winter and snow on the ground from Dec. 19th thru late March. Talk about being spoiled. Here I remember heavy rain and 47 degrees followed by -2 a few days later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WintersGrasp Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 So euro goes from 15" of snow to 0 and rain lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace0927 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yeah, too much amplification is never your friend in a gradient pattern. 1-17-94 was the worst example of this since it kept NYC from a 60" season. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/ewall/NARR/1994/us0117.php didnt it go from -2 to 50 that day? or is that the storm where boston had 18" and we had taint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Euro ensembles hold their weaker and colder serve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 didnt it go from -2 to 50 that day? or is that the storm where boston had 18" and we had taint? Yep snow then -2 then 50s the next day. I believe 93-94 is Boston's snowiest on record (or at least it was at that point). the early March storm which dumped two and a half feet in central Pennsylvania was originally supposed to be a huge storm for the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Euro ensembles hold their weaker and colder serve. Temperature32at32850hPa_North32America_192.gif MSLP_North32America_192.gif I think the mean is actually a miller B. The CMC ensemble mean shows this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think the mean is actually a miller B. The CMC ensemble mean shows this as well. Lets hope this is another case of the day 8 Op Euro being too amped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Lets hope this is another case of the day 8 Op Euro being too amped up. If this actually ended up as a miller B it would be a huge storm for us. We need the coastal to take over and switch the winds back to the northeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yep snow then -2 then 50s the next day. I believe 93-94 is Boston's snowiest on record (or at least it was at that point). the early March storm which dumped two and a half feet in central Pennsylvania was originally supposed to be a huge storm for the coast That's a storm of State College, PA legend. There was lightning, thunder, and even avalanches on some of the mountains due to the 3 foot snow cover at the time, and roads were completely impassable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 If this actually ended up as a miller B it would be a huge storm for us. We need the coastal to take over and switch the winds back to the northeast. Absolutely-if the PV can hang on and force that redevelopment. If it yields as the storm approaches, the floodgates for the torch are wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 That's a storm of State College, PA legend. There was lightning, thunder, and even avalanches on some of the mountains due to the 3 foot snow cover at the time, and roads were completely impassable. Yep. Awesome storm. The day before spring break began. Had to spend about 4 hours digging out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Absolutely-if the PV can hang on and force that redevelopment. If it yields as the storm approaches, the floodgates for the torch are wide open. Given the seasonal trend of warm cutters, something with 1-2 inches of rain and 55 degrees would not surprise me in the least here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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