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February Forecast Discussion


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The 0z Euro ensembles look to be doing a good job with its representation of EC ridging during the 2nd  thru the 5th 

Both storms now cut on the GFS 

Right now, I'd lean toward cutters or at least outcomes where there's a lot of rain/ice with stronger systems like shown now. Without blocking, we're toast in such a scenario. Of course, there's over a week for things to shift.

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Right now, I'd lean toward cutters or at least outcomes where there's a lot of rain/ice with stronger systems like shown now. Without blocking, we're toast in such a scenario. Of course, there's over a week for things to shift.

The ensemble means have been very consistent and have yet to show anything that even resembles a cutter with this storm. Until that changes I wouldn't even consider a cutter a possibility.

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Keeping my eye on this

THE 0000 UTC OPERATIONAL ECMWF IS NOT AS AGGRESSIVE AS THE 0000

UTC GFS IN PUSHING THIS WEEKEND`S COLD FRONT WELL OFF THE COAST.

THE ECMWF SUGGESTS THAT A SURFACE WAVE WILL DEVELOP AND RIDE

NORTHEASTWARD ALONG THE FRONT, POSSIBLY BRINGING SOME

PRECIPITATION FOR MONDAY. THE GFS REMAINS DRY. WE WILL CONTINUE TO

MONITOR THE MODEL TRENDS REGARDING THE EARLY PART OF NEXT WEEK.

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Right now, I'd lean toward cutters or at least outcomes where there's a lot of rain/ice with stronger systems like shown now. Without blocking, we're toast in such a scenario. Of course, there's over a week for things to shift.

The pattern gets better week 2 , the CFSV2 ( you can see in its 5 days increments ) the  GFS ensembles  and  Euro Ensembles all agree week 2 and 3  are  much better .

Too much  ridge on the SE coast week 1 .  I said this yesterday in the 2 winters  of 78 and 96  both in the middle

of cold periods , a storm cut to the lakes a week before the huge EC blizzards . 

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The pattern gets better week 2 , the CFSV2 ( you can see in its 5 days increments ) the GFS ensembles and Euro Ensembles all agree week 2 and 3 are much better .

Too much ridge on the SE coast week 1 . I said this yesterday in the 2 winters of 78 and 96 both in the middle

of cold periods , a storm cut to the lakes a week before the huge EC blizzards .

Doubt we get epic blizzards of legendary status like those two kahunas but you do bring up a good point. Most times you have to give some to get some down the line. Atleast the following week one thing the EC will not lack is dense arctic/ siberian air
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Agreed and once models lock in a cutter, it sticks.

Not always true. The amount and degree of ridging near the pole and Greenland will be key. If that strengthens in future runs, the storm's track will shift south. There would likely be a primary that starts to cut and then has to redevelop. There will be tons of cold air available for somebody, but we need help here to lock it in.

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Feel free to hold me too it at a later date, this is not going to cut.

 

The GFS track makes no sense, lows do not take the track it shows, either they go well south or well west and in this setup it cannot go well west...of course at this range the GFS never can see the impact an arctic high like that has...usually it does not start catching on til inside 96 hours

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The GFS track makes no sense, lows do not take the track it shows, either they go well south or well west and in this setup it cannot go well west...of course at this range the GFS never can see the impact an arctic high like that has...usually it does not start catching on til inside 96 hours

The GFS pulled this crap yesterday at 12z and the ensemble mean was well south, then the GFS corrected at 18z. I suspect we will see a repeat of that today. This storm just crossed the truncation barrier so that might have something to do with it.

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One run with a cutter and now this is locked in? What about the Euro? What about the last 3 GFS op runs? What about the ensembles?

of course not, but everyone saying 1994 crap is ridiculous. just as ridiculous as your 10.7 inches u said u got last big storm.

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Doubt we get epic blizzards of legendary status like those two kahunas but you do bring up a good point. Most times you have to give some to get some down the line. Atleast the following week one thing the EC will not lack is dense arctic/ siberian air

Not callin for a blizzard , just alluding to the fact in 2 great cold winters storms cut in the middle of cold periods 

just so happened both times there were EC storms . 

File it , dont expect it . 

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of course not, but everyone saying 1994 crap is ridiculous. just as ridiculous as your 10.7 inches u said u got last big storm.

 

The biggest difference from 2/1994 is the vortex is just not as massive over Hudson Bay, as a result I think any gradient sets up north of where it setup that year

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They blame weenies for latching on to one run if it shows snow but now that it shows a cutter its 100% going to happen? 

This and anyone saying once a cutter shows up on a model run it never changes is a bigger weenie than someone saying that every storm in the winter is going to be snow.

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One run with a cutter and now this is locked in? What about the Euro? What about the last 3 GFS op runs? What about the ensembles?

I don't remember one time the models showed a cutter only to trend to an east coast storm. If they show a cutter, we're screwed just like for the SB storm. The Euro showed it cutting and the gfs followed and it makes sense with the NAO getting up to +1 and beyond really strengthening that SE ridge. 

 

The one shot we have is if we see a wave develop after the weekend storm cuts. 

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I don't remember one time the models showed a cutter only to trend to an east coast storm. If they show a cutter, we're screwed just like for the SB storm. The Euro showed it cutting and the gfs followed and it makes sense with the NAO getting up to +1 and beyond really strengthening that SE ridge. 

 

The one shot we have is if we see a wave develop after the weekend storm cuts. 

1 recent example doesn't make this obsevation accurate.

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I don't remember one time the models showed a cutter only to trend to an east coast storm. If they show a cutter, we're screwed just like for the SB storm. The Euro showed it cutting and the gfs followed and it makes sense with the NAO getting up to +1 and beyond really strengthening that SE ridge. 

 

The one shot we have is if we see a wave develop after the weekend storm cuts. 

 

1/27/11

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Not callin for a blizzard , just alluding to the fact in 2 great cold winters storms cut in the middle of cold periods

just so happened both times there were EC storms .

File it , dont expect it .

Sorry paul shouldve said it would be nice to get a kahuna like those but the comparison you gave bought like to the situation we'll be in next week most likely

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