LongBeachSurfFreak Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I better get swell from this at ruggles /newport thursday! What you think Long Island surf poster I wouldn't wait until Thursday. Tomorrow is the day. What ever swell is left Thursday will be from a weakening recurring storm. The swell for tomorrow has already been generated when Bertha was at peak intensity moving directly at us in Southern NE/LI which created a nice period of captured fetch. This period of captured fetch and the fact that all the strongest winds were on the side of the storm pointed at use should turn some heads swell size wise tomorrow. For what looked like such a mess the interaction with the WAR is going to have NE/LI surfers very very happy tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Fact: the little wave approaching the Lesser Antilles is adorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker5221 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Driest air at 500 mb over the Tropical Atlantic between 10-20 north on record for the month of July. It was also the record driest July for the whole Tropical Atlantic region at 500 mb. This follows the general long term June-September drying trend. I would be careful in my interpretation of that. Without a doubt, the last several seasons have been drier than normal; but NCEP/NCAR reanalysis also shows a drying trend for most of the globe, with many regions shown to be 10% or more drier now than they were in the 50s. I don't believe ERAI shows a similar pattern globally (even accounting for the fact that ERAI only goes back to 1979). That extreme moistening over Nino 1-2 also looks suspect to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 It is becoming more clear now that we won't have El Niño for the rest of the hurricane season, other than maybe the tail end. CFS v2 graphics have correctly forecasted an improved upper level shear environment over the MDR since it switched to mostly below normal around mid July. The shear forecasts continue to show below normal shear for the rest of the season. Above normal MSLP, strong trades and dry atmospheric conditions have been plaguing the MDR, and they will probably continue to do so, but models are suggesting that average MSLP will take control in the short and mid range, which would slacken the trade winds. Overall it appears that we are heading for a near average season, instead of the well below most expected before the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jconsor Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Too bad there's no more recon and no buoys nearby. Bertha is lighting up over the Gulf Stream. I think there's a decent chance it re-attains hurricane intensity, with about 24 hours left over 26C+ SSTs. http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/lightning/index.php?basin=atl§or=s&sat=IR&loop=1#contents HRRR suggests strengthening next 12 hours as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Just a little aside here, but it looks like the Caribbean has dramatically dropped in shear over the past few days. In addition, TCHP/OHC is relatively high for this time of year throughout the region. My main focus for a major system still remains to be the SW Atlantic over the coming weeks, however it would not surprise me at all if we see one red-meat tropical cyclone moving through the Caribbean at some point over the next 14-21 days. The CFS (Courtesy of Kyle Macritch) shows the MJO heading into our most favorable regions in addition to shear dropping below average from 40-80W (10N-20N) We already have a decent wave entering the Caribbean, but it'll be interesting to see whether or not the Caribbean does indeed become favorable enough to support a TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 IF the just released Euro weeklies are accurate for mid to late August, there would be no long lasting above normal heat in the SE though there could be in the NE with a little above normal 500 mb ridging centered nearby. The SE would be below that ridging, which would keep it from getting too hot for too long there. Also, with this setup, IF there are any tropical cyclones offshore the SE coast, this/these may not recurve easily off the SE as is the case with Bertha. Looking at precip. anomalies, the weeklies have the tropics pretty dry overall for weeks 2-4 with wetter above that in the subtropics in the general vicinity of 25-30 N over/near the SE US. Considering that conditions in the MDR/off W Africa will be mostly unfavorable this year, this set-up may actually reduce the threat to the U.S., as troughs that would otherwise promote homegrown genesis in the Gulf / SW Atlantic will fail to drop so far south. We had a strong, west-based Bermuda High last year during peak season, but because the MDR was so dead the ridging made no difference to the U.S. Mid to late August looks quiet TC wise based on the long-range models thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Based on those charts it's safe to say this season has overperformed. Pretty good. North of the tropics where there have been more favorable conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I would be careful in my interpretation of that. Without a doubt, the last several seasons have been drier than normal; but NCEP/NCAR reanalysis also shows a drying trend for most of the globe, with many regions shown to be 10% or more drier now than they were in the 50s. I don't believe ERAI shows a similar pattern globally (even accounting for the fact that ERAI only goes back to 1979). That extreme moistening over Nino 1-2 also looks suspect to me. Mg7RjNXbg2.png But we can agree that the Tropical Atlantic is experiencing the driest conditions since at least 1970. http://www.climatecentral.org/news/what-happened-to-the-2013-atlantic-hurricane-season-16616 This season, the dry air “made a huge difference” and “squashed all the other factors that looked good,” he said. Klotzbach said the area where most tropical storms and hurricanes form had the driest mid-to-lower atmospheric conditions during the Aug. 1 to Sept. 25 period since reliable records began in 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Both the ECMWF and the GFS are honing in on possible development off Cape Verde in eight to 10 days. The runs have been consistent in showing the ITCZ lifting north and spawning something as a convectively-coupled Kelvin wave (CCKW) moves over the MDR in the time frame mentioned. The models also show a weaker Azores high that causes the trades to slacken as the W African monsoon extends into the MDR. Overall, odds of development look better than normal at this stage. One caveat is that the models suggest that any potential system may form too far NE to reach land other than the CV islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Both the ECMWF and the GFS are honing in on possible development off Cape Verde in eight to 10 days. The runs have been consistent in showing the ITCZ lifting north and spawning something as a convectively-coupled Kelvin wave (CCKW) moves over the MDR in the time frame mentioned. The models also show a weaker Azores high that causes the trades to slacken as the W African monsoon extends into the MDR. Overall, odds of development look better than normal at this stage. One caveat is that the models suggest that any potential system may form too far NE to reach land other than the CV islands. This is a bias that we saw play out much too far north last year around the same time frame. I do agree that over the next 14 days things should become favorable for the Atlantic to produce tropical cyclones. I would definitely watch for any waves that exit African and wind up near the Lesser Antilles, as the heat potential in the Caribbean is a bit higher than normal. ITCZ has been gradually lifting north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 On 7/25, the Euro ens. was predicting a very favorable (for genesis) strong MJO phase 3 covering 8/4-8+. However, we're instead in a modest phase 2, which is still somewhat positive for TC genesis, and it is now predicting a modest phase 2 to continue for much of the next two weeks (see graph below). This change is not surprising because there have been many more phase 2 days (88) than phase 3 days (32) during AUG of 1995-2012. The AUG MJO phase historical stats going back to 1995 suggest that conditions aren't as favorable as they would have been had we gone to a strong phase 3 (see table below). Nevertheless, phase 2 has still been one of the more active in August outside of phase 3 and it produced the U.S. hitting Isaac of '12, Gustav of '08, and Bonnie of '98: Aug. geneses 1995-2012 by phase: MJO phase: MJO # days; # TC geneses/# MDR TC geneses/# US direct H hit TC geneses; TC geneses per day/MDR TC geneses per day/US direct H hit TC geneses per day 1: 63; 9/5/1; 14%/8%/2% (Bret ’99) 2: 88; 17/8/3; 19%/9%/3% (Isaac ’12, Gustav ’08, Bonnie ’98) 3: 32; 12/8/1; 38%/25%/3% (Fran ’96) 4: 15; 0/0/0; 0%/0%/0% 5: 34; 5/4/0; 15%/12%/0% 6: 36; 7/5/1; 19%/14%/3% (Charley ’04) 7: 14; 1/0/0; 7%/0%/0% 8: 22; 4/2/2; 18%/9%/9% (Frances ’04, Earl ’98) C: 254; 25/13/2; 10%/5%/1% (Irene ’11, Katrina ’05) ALL: 558; 80/45/10; 14%/8%/2% ***Edit: the brand new Euro weeklies fwiw still keep it pretty dry in much of the MDR and Caribbean through week #4 (which goes through 9/7) but still somewhat wetter to the north near the SE and in the E GOM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 There is a rather impressive wave crossing Central Africa near or just N of 10. The 00Z Euro and GFS suggest this wave may have a chance to develop as it exits the West Coast of Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kory Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'm interested in the little tropical wave moving WNW in the eastern Caribbean. Has a nice vorticity with it and shear doesn't look nearly as bad as it has been the last few weeks. Perhaps it is of some interest later on down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker5221 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'm interested in the little tropical wave moving WNW in the eastern Caribbean. Has a nice vorticity with it and shear doesn't look nearly as bad as it has been the last few weeks. Perhaps it is of some interest later on down the road? Despite a current SW'erly shear vector, too much dry air from the north / near Puerto Rico has already been ingested. That's a T/Td of -5.9 / -39.9 at 500 mb, which equates to an RH of 5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Considering how dry the basin is/has been, I'm not surprised that the ECMWF and the GFS don't develop the W African system much once it leaves the coast in about a week. We will need to see major changes in the pattern for development to occur in the MDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 I'm interested in the little tropical wave moving WNW in the eastern Caribbean. Has a nice vorticity with it and shear doesn't look nearly as bad as it has been the last few weeks. Perhaps it is of some interest later on down the road? The Euro ens. mean is still predicting mainly MJO phase 2 for the next two weeks. Looking at AUG during the period 1995-2013, there were 17 TC geneses during MJO phase 2 that later became TS+'s (88 MJO phase 2 days). Of these 17, a respectable 6 first became TC's either in the Caribbean or the GoM: - Harvey of '11 (W. Carib.) - Claudette of '09 (E GoM) - Fay of '08 (Carib. W. of P.R..) - Gustav of '08 (E. Carib.) - Erin of '07 (W. GoM) - Charley of '98 (W GoM) Regardless, conditions don't appear to be favorable for a TC genesis there as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Lookin' much more moist off Africa than last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Lookin' much more moist off Africa than last year... wv-l.jpg WV imagery only captures the upper levels. You can't see all the record dryness in the low to mid levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 This July came in drier than last year at the midlevels from India to right across the Caribbean. So our best ACE so far is north of the tropics in the Atlantic Basin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 We may have something to keep an eye on: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Since 2013, there have been as many hurricanes in the Central Pacific as there have been in the Atlantic Ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Going to be interesting to see whether or not this will trend south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kory Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 The Atlantic basin, as far as shear, is now near or below normal in all zones. Here's the Caribbean where that tropical wave is located. Shear has calmed down considerably. Might have to do with the continued cooling of Nino regions 1 and 2. Tropical Atlantic shear has decreased significantly as well. May give the waves emerging from Africa a fighting chance. Remember, we're entering the Cape Verde season now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 We may have something to keep an eye on: ScreenHunter_86 Aug. 08 16.14.png grearth 2014-08-08 16-12-20-57.png I wouldn't look at absolute shear (850-200 mb) in this case. Mid-level shear is too high due to the very strong trades in the vicinity, so the surface wave reflection won't have time to slow down before interacting with Hispaniola. And absolute shear increases as the wave moves into the W Caribbean Sea over the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Going to be interesting to see whether or not this will trend south. 2339.20.jpg 2338.20.jpg If you look at the simulated IR from both the GFS and ECMWF, its completely devoid of convection after it emerges off Africa. Probably a non-event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 If you look at the simulated IR from both the GFS and ECMWF, its completely devoid of convection after it emerges off Africa. Probably a non-event. And that would be a nasty waste of a good pattern. Models and teleconnections suggest that a west-based Bermuda High will slowly emerge in eight to 10 days. If nothing were to form in that time frame, it would allow precious time for a U.S./island impact to slip away. Long-range indicators suggest that activity may not pick up before early September, when a strong East-Coast trough is likely to re-emerge. And we have El Niño to contend with once late September rolls around. I'd say the season is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 And that would be a nasty waste of a good pattern. Models and teleconnections suggest that a west-based Bermuda High will slowly emerge in eight to 10 days. If nothing were to form in that time frame, it would allow precious time for a U.S./island impact to slip away. Long-range indicators suggest that activity may not pick up before early September, when a strong East-Coast trough is likely to re-emerge. And we have El Niño to contend with once late September rolls around. I'd say the season is toast. Can we just wait a bit and see how everything develops before constantly jumping through hoops and writing off the season like this? I mean, long-range indicators haven't been on point this year with various synoptic details, so don't be too surprised if things look very different in one way or another down the line as peak season approaches. Let's not forget that the W Caribbean and Loop Current is locked and loaded should any wave develop outside of the MDR (perhaps towards the Carla Cradle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricaneman Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Can we just wait a bit and see how everything develops before constantly jumping through hoops and writing off the season like this? I mean, long-range indicators haven't been on point this year with various synoptic details, so don't be too surprised if things look very different in one way or another down the line as peak season approaches. Let's not forget that the W Caribbean and Loop Current is locked and loaded should any wave develop outside of the MDR (perhaps towards the Carla Cradle). You're right Andy, and while the models do nothing couldn't it be a case like with Bertha where the models barely do anything with it just for it to out perform the models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalAnalystwx13 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Things look quiet across the Atlantic basin in the short term, but I suspect activity will pick up some as we enter mid-August. For one, sea surface temperatures across the Atlantic have slowly been warming in recent weeks (as you would expect as we approach the peak). Secondly, ocean temperatures in the Gulf of Guinea have trended way down in recent weeks, which will tend to promote a healthier and farther north Intertropical Convergence Zone. Third, the MJO has been focused across the Indian Ocean for the past few days, also aiding in the formation of stronger-than-average tropical waves. This feature is forecast by the GFS to move into the Atlantic as we head towards the end of next month, which may help fight the overall bone-dry atmosphere. The CFS is also forecasting the progression of a convectively-coupled kelvin wave, albeit nothing particularly impressive, across the central Atlantic in the mid-late portions of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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