IsentropicLift Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Seems to be some cyclonic flow out ahead of 93L more towards the area of convection further east, maybe a center relocation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 No, no relocation...there's not even a decent outburst of convection, and the LLC is still very well defined and naked. It's currently under the lowest shear it will be...After the next 12-18 hours, everything will be downhill...until maybe 5-6 days from now, when recurving...but I wouldn't bet on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Final reminder, if you're entered in the seasonal contest, post your August monthly forecast by 06z tonight. Contest rules relevant to today's 70% chance possible T.D. 3 ... if it gets a name in July using z time, then its entire history belongs to July. Therefore don't count it in your August forecast in that case. If it gets a name in August (for example at 03z) then its entire history belongs to August. Timing of number designation is not a factor in contest. If these circumstances cause you to wish to edit your already posted forecast for August, feel free, I won't be incorporating them into the table until after 06z, but if you wish to edit after that and take on the 1% hourly penalty, then make a note in your edited post (I check back, no need to repost). Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 A cell 50 miles or so SSW of the LLC isn't enough to warrant an upgrade. We would need to see storms concentrated much closure to the center of circulation before any real chance of 93L developing any further. The exposed center is racing rather quickly to the W/WNW as well and that should inhibit much more in the way of development. Look further E across Africa as we enter the month of August. There is some increase in convection along and N 10 that may weaken the SAL a bit as we move along. We still have a lot of season left. Meh. There is absolutely no logical reason to expect an uptick in CV activity later this year…everything (Sahel drought, SSTA configuration, etc.) is just negative. Even homegrown development looks increasingly dubious this year, given how dry much of the basin has been. Furthermore, don't expect shear to get better as we enter late August/early September, because seasonal changes in wavelengths, plus the effects of El Niño, will just exacerbate already-high levels of shear. Those factors will just offset seasonal increases in instability. The past few days were instructive. I can almost guarantee that every remaining system will follow a similar evolution: hyped model forecasts, sheared/dried-out husks of naked swirls, drastic underperformance, and/or recurvature. I really wish that someone would design algorithms to account for aerosols in computer models…their performance with 93L (other than that of the ECMWF, which has done impressively well, considering that it doesn't account for the SAL) has been worse than horse manure. I think I'll just stop posting in the Atlantic thread because as far as I'm concerned this season's dead on arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker5221 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Meh. There is absolutely no logical reason to expect an uptick in CV activity later this year…everything (Sahel drought, SSTA configuration, etc.) is just negative. Even homegrown development looks increasingly dubious this year, given how dry much of the basin has been. Furthermore, don't expect shear to get better as we enter late August/early September, because seasonal changes in wavelengths, plus the effects of El Niño, will just exacerbate already-high levels of shear. Those factors will just offset seasonal increases in instability. The past few days were instructive. I can almost guarantee that every remaining system will follow a similar evolution: hyped model forecasts, sheared/dried-out husks of naked swirls, drastic underperformance, and/or recurvature. I really wish that someone would design algorithms to account for aerosols in computer models…their performance with 93L (other than that of the ECMWF, which has done impressively well, considering that it doesn't account for the SAL) has been worse than horse manure. I think I'll just stop posting in the Atlantic thread because as far as I'm concerned this season's dead on arrival. July is always peak season for SAL, and also climatologically features the strongest subtropical ridge and the most subsidence. It's actually quite rare that dry air isn't an issue in July. And sure, a developing El Nino will not help with development, but there have been plenty of seasons with weak / moderate Ninos that turned out to be at least ok. I'm also not particularly optimistic about this season, but a dry July and a slowly-developing Nino are no reason to write off Aug-Oct altogether. I wouldn't be so quick to write-off homebrews either, especially tropical transition, PV-tail, or MCV development. They're rarely predicted much more than a couple days in advance and only need a small area of favorable conditions near the coast to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxtrackercody Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Stewart has raised 93L's chances of development up to 80%, stating that thunderstorms have been increasing east of the center and if they continue to expand, advisories will be initiated on Tropical Storm Bertha tonight or tomorrow. But honestly, would it meet the criteria of a tropical cyclone? I personally don't see how a transient burst...much like this morning's...would satisfy the deep, organized portion of NHC's own definition of what a TC is. This should have been designated several nights ago when it had organized convection and spiral banding. I still don't know why it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteoutWX Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Meh. There is absolutely no logical reason to expect an uptick in CV activity later this year…everything (Sahel drought, SSTA configuration, etc.) is just negative. Even homegrown development looks increasingly dubious this year, given how dry much of the basin has been. Furthermore, don't expect shear to get better as we enter late August/early September, because seasonal changes in wavelengths, plus the effects of El Niño, will just exacerbate already-high levels of shear. Those factors will just offset seasonal increases in instability. The past few days were instructive. I can almost guarantee that every remaining system will follow a similar evolution: hyped model forecasts, sheared/dried-out husks of naked swirls, drastic underperformance, and/or recurvature. I really wish that someone would design algorithms to account for aerosols in computer models…their performance with 93L (other than that of the ECMWF, which has done impressively well, considering that it doesn't account for the SAL) has been worse than horse manure. I think I'll just stop posting in the Atlantic thread because as far as I'm concerned this season's dead on arrival. Calm down we haven't even entered climatological peak season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxtrackercody Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 BULLETINTROPICAL STORM BERTHA ADVISORY NUMBER 1NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL0320141100 PM AST THU JUL 31 2014 ...TROPICAL STORM BERTHA DEVELOPS EAST OF THE SOUTHERN LESSERANTILLES......TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS AND WATCHES ISSUED... SUMMARY OF 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...INFORMATION-----------------------------------------------LOCATION...12.3N 55.5WABOUT 275 MI...445 KM ESE OF BARBADOSABOUT 385 MI...620 KM ESE OF ST. LUCIAMAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/HPRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 290 DEGREES AT 20 MPH...31 KM/HMINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS--------------------CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY... THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE OF BARBADOS HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORMWARNING FOR BARBADOS AND DOMINICA. THE GOVERNMENT OF ST. LUCIA HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WARNING FORST. LUCIA. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR PUERTO RICO...VIEQUES...CULEBRA...AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS. THE METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE OF BARBADOS HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORMWATCH FOR ST. VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES. A TROPICAL STORM WARNING COULD BE REQUIRED FOR MARTINIQUE FRIDAYMORNING. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT... A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...* BARBADOS* ST. LUCIA* DOMINICA A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...* PUERTO RICO* VIEQUES* CULEBRA* U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS* ST. VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AREEXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA...IN THIS CASE WITHINTHE NEXT 24 HOURS. A TROPICAL STORM WATCH MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS AREPOSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 48 HOURS. INTERESTS ELSEWHERE ACROSS THE NORTHEASTERN CARIBBEAN SEA SHOULDMONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA IN THE UNITED STATES...INCLUDING POSSIBLE INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITORPRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECASTOFFICE. FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA OUTSIDE THEUNITED STATES...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONALMETEOROLOGICAL SERVICE. DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK------------------------------AT 1100 PM AST...0300 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM BERTHA WASLOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 12.3 NORTH...LONGITUDE 55.5 WEST. BERTHA ISMOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 20 MPH...31 KM/H...AND THISGENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.ON THE FORECAST TRACK...BERTHA IS EXPECTED TO PASS NEAR BARBADOSFRIDAY AFTERNOON AND MOVE THROUGH THE CENTRAL LESSER ANTILLES FRIDAYEVENING. REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT INDICATETHAT MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 45 MPH...75 KM/H...WITH HIGHERGUSTS. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 48HOURS. TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES...75 KMFROM THE CENTER. THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1008 MB...29.77 INCHES. HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND----------------------WIND...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO FIRST REACH THEWARNING AREA BY MIDDAY FRIDAY...MAKING OUTSIDE PREPARATIONSDIFFICULT OR DANGEROUS. TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE INTHE WATCH AREA IN PUERTO RICO AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS ONSATURDAY. RAINFALL...BERTHA IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO3 INCHES WITH ISOLATED AMOUNTS UP TO 5 INCHES ACROSS PORTIONS OF THELEEWARD ISLANDS...PUERTO RICO...AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS THROUGHSATURDAY NIGHT. NEXT ADVISORY-------------NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY...200 AM AST.NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...500 AM AST. $$FORECASTER STEWART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 At least the latest burst of convection is right over the center. I have to say this is probably the most pathetic IR image I've ever seen of a system that has just been upgraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The ECMWF looks more favorable for Bertha once it makes it north of the greater antilles. If it can survive with its circulation intact (which was shown to be robust in recon earlier, its got a chance for a better life N of 20 degrees. Speaking of those short fused home brew disturbances, don't sleep on that bit of disturbed weather at 25N and 67W. None of the global models have anything, but the diffluence to the northwest of the decaying TUTT has been helping convection in this region for the last 24 hours. In fact its been helping to significantly weaken the TUTT due to PV distribution of active convection modifying the thermodynamic profile via latent heat release. This region will likely drift to the west slowly, and at the very least will enhance moisture down the road for Florida and the southeastern coastline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 So much for pressure and upgrading on a wind gust or two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 A new paper that just came out may explain why we have seen the changes in the hadley circulation and drier conditions across the Tropical Atlantic. The main culprit seems to be a weakening of the temperature gradient between the tropics and midlatitudes since 1997. While we have seen a hiatus in global temperatures since then, the SST's have been rising from 20-45N especially in the Pacific relative to the tropics. This is something that we typically see during the -PDO/La Nina. So the cooler Atlantic MDR SST's this year reduce the temperature gradient even more against the general trend that we have been experiencing in recent years. The last -PDO/La Nina era featured drying over the Eastern Pacific and South America but not the Atlantic.We would probably need further study to isolate the Atlantic region vs other regions but the general temperature gradient changes looks like a piece of the puzzle. http://www.oriadam.info/oriadam/HCW_Expansion_2014.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Bertha is coming within the radar range of Barbados if anyone cares. http://barbadosweather.org/barbados-weather-Radar-SABDriver.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kory Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Recon is finding widespread TS force winds in the eastern part of the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 LLC is fully exposed again. In any event, intensity has been raised to 45kts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUBlizzicane2007 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I imagine that in the tropical cyclone report, Bertha will be reclassified as a tropical cyclone before the date advisories were initiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxtrackercody Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If nothing else, it's impressive how resilient Bertha's circulation has been. The center has spent the better part of the past 4-5 days completely exposed, battling dry air and shear, and yet it remains very well-defined. Before recon left, they reported a minimum barometric pressure of 1006mb, which is 2mb lower than earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny and Warm Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Lots of outflow boundaries in that pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 West wind at 14mph reported at Le Lamentin, Martnique at 3:30pm. Pressure also 1008mb. Will probably be used to keep it a TS at 5pm: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/TFFF.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I did a bit of quick research and not taking into account of the current ENSO state (La Nina/El Nino be they weak, neutral or strong) AMO, PDO NAO, EPO and AO, but strictly based off the Day 11+ Analogs issued July 31st with the top 10 Analogs years that are somewhat correlated with the current upper air pattern regime expected...and this is what those analogs suggest...tropical cyclone wise. There are some notable Hurricanes within those analog years. The analogs just offer clues to past general weather patterns across North America and what happened during the analog years across the Tropical North Atlantic Basin. CPC July 31st Day 11+ Analogs: 1975: 1958: 1985: 2005: 1951: 2008: 1983: 1991: 1999: 1961: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker5221 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Actually, the structure of Bertha has improved quite dramatically over the last 3 hours. This corroborates well with the CIMSS SAL product, which suggests that the worst of the SAL air has finally mixed out. That UL low north of the Dominican Republic is probably also helping to ventilate the upper levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny and Warm Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I did a bit of quick research and not taking into account of the current ENSO state (La Nina/El Nino be they weak, neutral or strong) AMO, PDO NAO, EPO and AO, but strictly based off the Day 11+ Analogs issued July 31st with the top 10 Analogs years that are somewhat correlated with the current upper air pattern regime expected...and this is what those analogs suggest...tropical cyclone wise. There are some notable Hurricanes within those analog years. The analogs just offer clues to past general weather patterns across North America and what happened during the analog years across the Tropical North Atlantic Basin. CPC July 31st Day 11+ Analogs: Except for 1985, 2005, and 2008, the other years had few US hits and what appears to have been a persistent East coast trough. Very similar to this year I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Nice blowup again right over the center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icebreaker5221 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Nice blowup again right over the center Yes, looks like a decrease in dust/aerosol with an increase in UL divergence are helping with the convection. However, shear and dry air still remain, so I wouldn't expect anything more than perhaps a modest increase in organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It looks like it's in a col region in between upper level features...this has reduced dramatically the wind shear to <5kts according to CIMSS analysis. This will be temporary as Bertha heads towards a more hostile region near the Leeward islands/PR/Hispaniola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ground Scouring Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Except for 1985, 2005, and 2008, the other years had few US hits and what appears to have been a persistent East coast trough. Very similar to this year I might add. Most years don't have a Cat.-2+ hurricane hitting the U.S. All the years listed--except 1951, 1983, and 1991--had at least one Cat.-2+ hurricane strike in the U.S. (1958 had Helene producing Cat.-3 winds on the Outer Banks.) Technically, that's hardly inactive by any standard. At any rate, I'm not giving those analogs much weight, considering that the pattern at any given point doesn't necessarily indicate what is to come down the road. Other factors this year favor a more inactive season than the analogs suggest. Someone mentioned frontal development off the SE coast or in the Gulf, but long-range forecasts indicate an enhanced ridge off the SE coast in mid to late August, which would make MCV development less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Meh. There is absolutely no logical reason to expect an uptick in CV activity later this year…everything (Sahel drought, SSTA configuration, etc.) is just negative. Even homegrown development looks increasingly dubious this year, given how dry much of the basin has been. Furthermore, don't expect shear to get better as we enter late August/early September, because seasonal changes in wavelengths, plus the effects of El Niño, will just exacerbate already-high levels of shear. Those factors will just offset seasonal increases in instability. The past few days were instructive. I can almost guarantee that every remaining system will follow a similar evolution: hyped model forecasts, sheared/dried-out husks of naked swirls, drastic underperformance, and/or recurvature. I really wish that someone would design algorithms to account for aerosols in computer models…their performance with 93L (other than that of the ECMWF, which has done impressively well, considering that it doesn't account for the SAL) has been worse than horse manure. I think I'll just stop posting in the Atlantic thread because as far as I'm concerned this season's dead on arrival. I will let them know that they should be considering aerosols. I bet they never thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I will let them know that they should be considering aerosols. I bet they never thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I will let them know that they should be considering aerosols. I bet they never thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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