bobbutts Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Interesting about the ARW SREF members. with the 9z runs it knocks 25% off the mean total snow at kcon if I exclude the ARW's At least in the Plume viewer: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/fplumes/index.php it allows you to exclude model groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 He's talking about the localized totals in Essex county in the Jan 2-3 storm. But obviously those were OES enhanced.I had 15" which qualifies as 1-2'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I remember back on the 3rd when you said something similar and everyone weenie bunned you The 1/3 storm was longer duration, i think this will see heavier bands during height but i dont think it is around enough to be talking about 18-24" inch totals. Maybe lolli's near 15" for someone between jersey to sne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Are the 18UTC model suite usually more robust?Urban myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowMan Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Huh? He is referring to tolland, MA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The 1/3 storm was longer duration, i think this will see heavier bands during height but i dont think it is around enough to be talking about 18-24" inch totals. Maybe lolli's near 15" for someone between jersey to sne.My computer is packed away for school as I return today. Hearing about sg and deform banding leads me to believe there is POTENTIAL for some heavy amounts like those mentioned. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I had 15" which qualifies as 1-2'. Localized...right along MA shoreline in that storm. I think that's def possible in this one too...but like 90% of the region won't get those types of totals unless this comes NW more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Localized...right along MA shoreline in that storm. I think that's def possible in this one too...but like 90% of the region won't get those types of totals unless this comes NW more. I remember the NAM banding page having pretty much zilch previous to that one. Very oes dependent with that crappy sg outside of the enhancement at the shore. Seems like a different story this time for the interior with a closed deepening low the wealth should be more spread out. I think ray might be sitting in a great spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The SREF plumes are funny..lol. The NMM's are out of control. ARWs aren't any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sn0waddict Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Interesting about the ARW SREF members. with the 9z runs it knocks 25% off the mean total snow at kcon if I exclude the ARW's At least in the Plume viewer: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/sref/fplumes/index.php it allows you to exclude model groups For KBDR, the mean went down from 13.26 to 13.00 when the ARW models are removed, not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I remember the NAM banding page having pretty much zilch previous to that one. Very oes dependent with that crappy sg outside of the enhancement at the shore. Seems like a different story this time for the interior with a closed deepening low the wealth should be more spread out. I think ray might be sitting in a great spot. If this takes one more little tick NW and deepens a tad, then we'd prob see some widespread 8-12"+ amounts...that banding sig is really good. But its no guarantee yet it gets NW of about BOS-PVD with the really good stuff. We'll see how things progress the next 6-12 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If this takes one more little tick NW and deepens a tad, then we'd prob see some widespread 8-12"+ amounts...that banding sig is really good. But its no guarantee yet it gets NW of about BOS-PVD with the really good stuff. We'll see how things progress the next 6-12 hours. I'm not saying the 18z NAM is the most important run of all of our lives... But, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The snow ratios are out of control on those members too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I feel very very confident about 1-2 feet in spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The snow ratios are out of control on those members too. Ridiculous. One member shows 49" at FIT, most likely due to those obscene ratios (and it being a horrible model, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The snow ratios are out of control on those members too. Speaking of getting out of control on a member, how was everybody's weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The snow ratios are out of control on those members too. I could see some spots getting 20:1 or 25:1 - it's as perfect as you'll see from start to finish here in SNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The other thing too... when you get good "snow growth" not only to dendrites accumulate very well they're also produced very efficiently in the clouds. So it's a 2-fer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm not saying the 18z NAM is the most important run of all of our lives... But, isn't it? NCEP stuff is normally overdone in this range. Euro is a nice hit and even adjusting up the QPF a bit it's not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 18z NAM looks a bit flatter than 12z through 27 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The other thing too... when you get good "snow growth" not only to dendrites accumulate very well they're also produced very efficiently in the clouds. So it's a 2-fer. I really enjoyed the aggregates we saw on Saturday. Anyone wanna go in with me on a double order of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I could see some spots getting 20:1 or 25:1 - it's as perfect as you'll see from start to finish here in SNE. I think we may see that at times when the lift lines up..but some members are nuts...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 18z NAM looks a bit flatter than 12z through 27 hours. Folks aren't going to like this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Nam .....why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesun Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 18z NAM looks a bit flatter than 12z through 27 hours. deeper SLP though in same location Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 NAM is definitely east a bit but not bad. Meh... the NAM sucks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesnichols1989 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 NAM isn't that bad through 27 hours. It may be a tad southeast with the surface low, but the good returns still end up northwest of BOS to PVD corridor, even into ORH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 ruNNaWayIcEberG, on 20 Jan 2014 - 2:01 PM, said: Snow removal guy texts me and said, "my weather guy told me this is a minor, sorry but I dont remove 1-3" of snow, where are you getting your information from?" OT but it does give us more feedback that the general public and even some "weather guys" are lagging. I was talking about the snow while I was waiting for an x-ray today at the hospital with the people in the waiting room and got the same reaction. Then the weather channel comes on and says 20% chance of snow for Southbridge tomorrow accumulations less than 1 inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 NAM is definitely east a bit but not bad. Meh... the NAM sucks anyway. Yeah its still a hit...esp eastern areas...but NAM is probably the last model to use to latch onto a distinct trend. Though at some point the NW trend will stop. Hopefully this doesn't end up signaing it. I'd like one more bounce at 00z tonight. 18z RGEM will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 SREFs are almost useless with those ARW members skewing the mean.Interestingly on the plume viewer you can deselect members, NMM is more bullish than ARW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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