powderfreak Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Most people don't need to be told this, Scott. Weenie's gon ween It just gets crazy to read...the NWS offices we have in New England do just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I disagree and think box put themselves in a "continuity hole" by committing to 1-2 so early on a system less than 48 hrs out. But its honestly nbd. Just harmless discussion. Guidance by 0z last nite was worthy of winter storm watches for area, esp w banding signal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Didn't get to a foot in the 1/2 1/3 storm. Hoping to hit that with this one. First day of classes for spring semester is Wednesday. Looks like that could be in serious trouble at the moment. Would love to have the first day of classes called off so I can enjoy this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Having some trouble posting images... Quincy (who posts on here sometimes) has a great table he puts together showing model output in a tabular way... But I can't get it to do a regular attachment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Knee jerk instant gratification weenie thinkers, let the pros do the heavy lifting....stick to snow map porn wanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Box should never have gone 1-3 in the large urban centers after yesterday and last nights guidance. I'm sorry but their mission is getting compromised potentially with the lack of attention to a potentially dangerous period effecting millions of people, At the very least, put out statements NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I am not a fan of forecasters starting with low accumulations and increasing them as the event comes closer. There seems to be some bias where it's much better to bust low vs. high. Guys like JB get lots of criticism when they bust high, and people seem to defend or ignore the low busts. I'm not sure it has so much to do with the GP as it does from other mets, a highly critical group with plenty of hypocrites mixed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Box should never have gone 1-3 in the large urban centers after yesterday and last nights guidance. I'm sorry but their mission is getting compromised potentially with the lack of attention to a potentially dangerous period effecting millions of people, At the very least, put out statements NOW! Maybe they affixed numbers to the forecast too early is a better argument imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Having some trouble posting images... Quincy (who posts on here sometimes) has a great table he puts together showing model output in a tabular way... But I can't get it to do a regular attachment... Meh..maps are the easiest and best way to convey ideas/forecasts..none of this probabilty nonsense that folks can't understand or follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Maybe they affixed numbers to the forecast too early is a better argument imo. Yes. Because when folks see 1-3 they stop thinking about it. If it just says snow....better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Box should never have gone 1-3 in the large urban centers after yesterday and last nights guidance. I'm sorry but their mission is getting compromised potentially with the lack of attention to a potentially dangerous period effecting millions of people, At the very least, put out statements NOW!Yup, no prob w waiting for 12z full suite , but dont commit to low so early . Seems critical thought for some on this is difficult. Not ray but maybe the weenie wanking map guy I would like to see poll of where public gets their weather info / storm accum info from. Radio guys/ tv mets/wx phone apps Bottom line is this looks somewhat dangerous to be out in for cape and pym county after dark tommorrow. But word will be out by 4pm/5pm so people will adjust . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Bingo! Box looks bad in 2 consecutive storms WSW will be up later today, people will survive.. no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yes. Because when folks see 1-3 they stop thinking about it. If it just says snow....better. I agree that staying away from numbers and conveying some uncertainty in their wording would have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Having some trouble posting images... Quincy (who posts on here sometimes) has a great table he puts together showing model output in a tabular way... But I can't get it to do a regular attachment... I'd guess either the image is too big or it's a format the board doesn't recognize. Try to convert it to jpg and repost or upload elsewhere and url link it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Agreed. I ended up with about 8.5" here from the 1/2-3 storm. Hoping to beat that number. Impact will be significantly greater in SE MA for the majority vs last time in terms of raw snow. Better SG, better OE, more consolidated system. We will need to see how this evolves and the Euro still has to be weighed heavily at 12z today because most of the time our guidance is overdone. That said I think a lot of real totals are easily beat in SE New England this time. Whether Scott does and those few areas that got heavy more isolated bands..who knows but I'm confident this one is a hydrant burier vs the 15" one last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Pending the Euro but I figure a solid 10-15" is on tap down here with potential for more. If I could use a larger range it'd be like 8-16" just in case..or the hated 10-20". The storm is flying but the banding should be intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 It's really a tough job, I don't envy it. It wasn't unreasonable to think this may have corrected and gone back southeast, which I suppose could still happen. As was mentioned above, maybe numbers shouldn't have been out to the forecast at the time. Either way it's almost lose lose, so can't really fault either way. I do think, that with how close we are and how the Wednesday morning commute especially could be downright dangerous, and this storm happening in the middle of the work week, that maybe the flags and numbers should be hoisted later this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Messenger you realize alot of populated area had 10 inches or more in 1/3 storm right? Including cc. So the cf is further se this storm and you won't be in isolated screwgie hole but population centers were hit hard on 1/3 and temps /wind chills were brutal I do envy ur spot a bit right now i wish this could be slowed more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 WSW will be up later today, people will survive.. no big deal. NWS could still be right. NW-most models could cave later today. However, if they're correct, there could be commuting chaos by mid afternoon tomorrow. First day back after a long holiday weekend usually means more cars on the road compared to a usual Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Who was chucken em on tv at noon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboughton Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Box should never have gone 1-3 in the large urban centers after yesterday and last nights guidance. I'm sorry but their mission is getting compromised potentially with the lack of attention to a potentially dangerous period effecting millions of people, At the very least, put out statements NOW! They did put out a notice that they were upping the totals N and W on social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesun Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I agree that staying away from numbers and conveying some uncertainty in their wording would have been better. That's fine--just so that potential high impact is conveyed somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Meh..maps are the easiest and best way to convey ideas/forecasts..none of this probabilty nonsense that folks can't understand or followDo you know the thing I am talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'd guess either the image is too big or it's a format the board doesn't recognize. Try to convert it to jpg and repost or upload elsewhere and url link it.Yah. I will try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Do you know the thing I am talking about?obviously not, let me get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesun Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 What did crazy uncle show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Oh man. If you guys only knew how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 obviously not, let me get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 NWS could still be right. NW-most models could cave later today. However, if they're correct, there could be commuting chaos by mid afternoon tomorrow. First day back after a long holiday weekend usually means more cars on the road compared to a usual Tuesday. Not the point. You don't get these trends on every model and then 24 hours out poof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkO Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Who was chucken em on tv at noon. Jeremy Reiner's map shows 6-10 east of about Rt 24. Not sure why everyone is worried about NWS warnings (or lack thereof) I don't think this storm is more than a few flurries by tomorrow evenings commute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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