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January 2014 Pattern Discussion Part II


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  On 1/24/2014 at 12:28 PM, powderfreak said:

Haha, my bad.  Looked at the 6z run.  I was a little surprised you were so excited about a storm track like this, haha.  Now I see what you mean.  Yes we need more like that... Dec 2003 type systems.

 

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You might want to look again on the 06z run.  Still no toaster.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:20 PM, ORH_wxman said:

Some of the NNE folks were afraid of -NAOs.

 

 

I'll bet this winter will change their mind if my stats on -NAO winters were unable to convince them. :lol:

The odd thing is if you look at all the major indices, they have basically averaged neutral.  The only one with more variability has been the AO but even that has not been a raging +AO.

 

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:23 PM, CoastalWx said:

Yeah first it was a -NAO..now it's the PV.

How about anything that causes storms to suppress. I still stand by the extreme cold is no good for snow. No need for deep negative departures.

I think it's honestly the trough axis. I knew back in earlier January that the trough axis on the long range progs was no good for here. It was much better for SE New England because it was far enough east to not allow amplification that would threaten rain.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:26 PM, powderfreak said:

How about anything that causes storms to suppress. I still stand by the extreme cold is no good for snow. No need for deep negative departures.

 

Its funny how i remember some on here saying a few weeks back that the last thing they would wanted to see is the PV sitting over their heads, Lot of short term memory loss on here

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:26 PM, powderfreak said:

How about anything that causes storms to suppress. I still stand by the extreme cold is no good for snow. No need for deep negative departures.

 

How did you do in the 2nd half of 2006-2007 winter?

 

 

That February was the coldest in the past 20 years.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:30 PM, coldfront said:

Its funny how i remember some on here saying a few weeks back that the last thing they would wanted to see is the PV sitting over their heads, Lot of short term memory loss on here

 

 

Its not sitting over our heads though...that would be like Jan 2004.

 

 

This is largely centered over Hudson Bay...which is actually not a bad pattern for snow...even in NNE. But a little -NAO would have helped to slow the flow down a bit.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:30 PM, ORH_wxman said:

How did you do in the 2nd half of 2006-2007 winter?

That February was the coldest in the past 20 years.

That was cold and dry but with 3-4 feet falling in the vicinity of Valentine's Day, lol. I guess we got lucky.

I know I'm not alone in the thinking that deep cold doesn't lead to good snows up here...I've heard Cold Front and Tamarack express similar sentiments. It's not that it doesn't happen, it's just not our best set up like it is for the Mid-Atlantic and SNE, especially the coast.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:46 PM, powderfreak said:

That was cold and dry but with 3-4 feet falling in the vicinity of Valentine's Day, lol. I guess we got lucky.

I know I'm not alone in the thinking that deep cold doesn't lead to good snows up here...I've heard Cold Front and Tamarack express similar sentiments. It's not that it doesn't happen, it's just not our best set up like it is for the Mid-Atlantic and SNE, especially the coast.

 

The areas further south and are more the beneficiary of the extreme cold then here

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  On 1/24/2014 at 2:01 PM, coldfront said:

Yeah its great for burning up heating oil too................... :lol:

 

Part of the game. Electricity is highly used in the summer to keep the disgusting temps out of my house. I keep my house cool anyways. I don't need it to be 70 in my house in the winter.

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  On 1/24/2014 at 2:21 PM, CoastalWx said:

Part of the game. Electricity is highly used in the summer to keep the disgusting temps out of my house. I keep my house cool anyways. I don't need it to be 70 in my house in the winter.

 

I don't keep my house at 70 either, More like 64-66F, But i have an old house with an old boiler and way way over the budget this year on oil because of this arctic cold

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  On 1/24/2014 at 1:53 PM, CoastalWx said:

Cold is good for the soul. It's nice and high temps haven't been that brutal.

 

It's good for killing lawn bugs so we don't have to poison our lawns like they do in CT.  That's about it. 

 

  On 1/24/2014 at 2:12 PM, sbos_wx said:

I've yet to see a pattern without whining holy crap its insufferable.

Weather divas.

If I'm only going to get two blizzards a month I can do without the cold.

 

(sarcasm)

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