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Winter 13-14' Med/Long Range Discussion Part 2


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126-180 it's the coldest over the subforum before moderation comes in from the Mountain West.

 

Nothing under -5° from what I can tell around here.

 

The following extended range looks cold, but not as cold as last week or anything.

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I'm not great at translating from 850 mb maps, but it looks like Chicago might get a day as cold as the last cold shot. Likely depends on how much snow is on the ground.

 

 

I'm assuming you're talking about the cold shot at day 10-11.  If that prog verifies then the cold could approach what happened earlier this month.  Gotta throw up a caution flag since it's so far out but multi-model/ensemble signals for a significant cold shot or two (mixed in within the overall below average regime) are pretty good.

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I can't help but to like the stretch that may last well over a week starting around the 25th...the models and ensembles have been pretty consistent in trying to retrograde the ridge a bit off the west coast and allow shortwaves to dive into the Plains as opposed to the Great Lakes...possibly giving room for some of them to amplify. Still a long ways out but the GFS has been showing storm chances after that timeframe for I believe 4 runs now and we'll have to see if that trend continues. The 12z Euro wasn't looking hopeless at day 10 either...but again day 9+ so we'll see. The models start showing the retrograde late next week so I suppose that isn't too far out at this point.

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I can't help but to like the stretch that may last well over a week starting around the 25th...the models and ensembles have been pretty consistent in trying to retrograde the ridge a bit off the west coast and allow shortwaves to dive into the Plains as opposed to the Great Lakes...possibly giving room for some of them to amplify. Still a long ways out but the GFS has been showing storm chances after that timeframe for I believe 4 runs now and we'll have to see if that trend continues. The 12z Euro wasn't looking hopeless at day 10 either...but again day 9+ so we'll see. The models start showing the retrograde late next week so I suppose that isn't too far out at this point.

 

I infer from that the further south you go in the subforum, the better.

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NAEFS is even stronger with the cold now in the extended range...especially east of here.  Get ready boys.  California heatwave continues, as does Alaska.

 

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Last week someone from Germany had a picture of a flower pot with flowers still blooming...said they've only had very light frosts so far this year....  amazing.

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South and east. There really is no -NAO progged in the extended though so depending on where exactly the PV sets up areas farther NW can't be completely ruled out.

 

progressive cutters-ish with not much room for amplification seems about right IMO...favoring the OV more than the western GL....with that being said, this set-up also allowed for some unusually nice fronto snows (with a little better ratio's) to break out ahead of main system snows for locals further NW...with the magnitude of "cold punches" this season, it wouldn't shock me to see a similar set-up through the end of February...that being said, I could see a few (of the many) cutter-ish type systems amplifying enough to bring some solid system snows further NW (as you alluded to)...

 

nice write-ups btw

 

cheers

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progressive cutters-ish with not much room for amplification seems about right IMO...favoring the OV more than the western GL....with that being said, this set-up also allowed for some unusually nice fronto snows (with a little better ratio's) to break out ahead of main system snows for locals further NW...with the magnitude of "cold punches" this season, it wouldn't shock me to see a similar set-up through the end of February...that being said, I could see a few (of the many) cutter-ish type systems amplifying enough to bring some solid system snows further NW (as you alluded to)...

 

nice write-ups btw

 

cheers

 

hierarchy = OV > WL > EL (minus Josh of course).

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hierarchy = OV > WL > EL (minus Josh of course).

 

lol...IMO, I would have to agree for the most part...will be curious to see how much influence the STJ/or at least some variation of pac moisture has over the next 5 weeks though...that can help "spread the wealth" a bit...at least that's what i'm watching FWIW

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Love the look of the pattern going forward. I think the chances of another big dog is out there, even extending through most of February...if those in the know are correct. PV wobbling around timed with an impulse...and voila. I guess if you don't like cold and snow...might want to pull the shades.

 

Just a snapshot in time, but 6z GFS day 8+ analogs offer something for a lot of people around those dates, and going forward.

 

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Liking the optimism going past late next week. 

 

Right now, this pattern isn't much fun.  I had well over a foot of snow down here not too long ago, now I have a 2"-3" crust that has pretty much frozen solid, with lots of green patches showing through it.  I would love some more clippers to bring us more snow, even if it is 3 or 4 inches at a time.

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After the first week of January's complete dud, I think that's a safe bet.

Unless the models are really out to lunch I'd have to imagine the pattern will favor snow over OH and points south/east for a time before perhaps shifting farther NW towards early February as the ridge off the west coast retrogrades. There is no -NAO which is why I'm worried we'll eventually get into a warmer/rainy pattern in Ohio but through about the end of the month I can't help but like our chances with the PV being centered north of Lake Superior. This could be a pattern that eventually benefits a good majority of the sub forum although patience may be required in some areas.

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