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Winter 13-14' Med/Long Range Discussion Part 2


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Not just this winter, but over the past several winters. They've only existed in the fantasy range (like this one now) only to disappear as the time frame approaches to one reason or another. 

 

The last legit secondary low I believe we had was February 2008. As far as legit threats within a reasonable range, again your guess is as good as mine. I guess depending on your definition of a secondary low, that narrow band of anafrontal snows down in the OV back in December could count. 

 

 

 

Looks like the trough may be too amplified to support a cold secondary low. EURO and GFS both have it warm and wet.

 

Never shall I doubt the wisdom of the powerball again.

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Looks like the trough may be too amplified to support a cold secondary low. EURO and GFS both have it warm and wet.

 

Never shall I doubt the wisdom of the powerball again.

 

Not so fast. Everything is a hope and prayer at days 9-10, but 0z Euro ensemble mean has a little better look to me...if you're pulling for such a thing. Far from perfect of course, and most likely "warm"/wet here, but...

 

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=namk&MODELL=ecmwfens&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=t85p&HH=240&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=72530&PERIOD=

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Not so fast. Everything is a hope and prayer at days 9-10, but 0z Euro ensemble mean has a little better look to me...if you're pulling for such a thing. Far from perfect of course...

 

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=namk&MODELL=ecmwfens&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=t85p&HH=240&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=72530&PERIOD=

 

Do you even have to ask? :P

 

A few GEFS members are like that as well, although more are in the amped western Lake cutter camp. Regardless, strong signals that -EPO, and winter, returns for the last week of February.

 

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Do you even have to ask? :P

 

A few GEFS members are like that as well, although more are in the amped western Lake cutter camp. Regardless, strong signals that -EPO, and winter, returns for the last week of February.

 

lol, you never know on this forum anymore. But I was 99% sure you were still all in on wanting more wintry opportunities. :D

 

And yep, signal is for more cold after this mild up next week. Hopefully that happens, because we're oh so close to breaking 60" here...and need some more chances.

 

I see the latest CFS has gone cold for March (not that I trust it as far as I can throw it). Nevertheless though, that's taboo around here...so we'll keep that between me and you.  :whistle:

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lol, you never know on this forum anymore. But I was 99% sure you were still all in on wanting more wintry opportunities. :D

 

And yep, signal is for more cold after this mild up next week. Hopefully that happens, because we're oh so close to breaking 60" here...and need some more chances.

 

I see the latest CFS has gone cold for March (not that I trust it as far as I can throw it). Nevertheless though, that's taboo around here...so we'll keep that between me and you.  :whistle:

 

Can I still needle you about your claim that you wouldn't get to 50", or is that getting to be in bad taste?

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00z Euro was pretty incredible for late next week with not one but two very dynamic systems, both with severe potential from the looks of it. Very large warm sectors in place for both.

 

 

My jaw dropped when I saw that 192 hour map.  What are the odds of that solution holding for another week.

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12z GFS brings 60 degree dewpoints almost up to southern tip of Lake Michigan next Saturday and 986 low over central WI. 100-120 kt h5 jet and 50-60 kt h85 jet. Yikes. I for one am not rooting for these solutions from the Euro and GFS because they would entail major flooding for all flood prone areas in the region.

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That's just cruel...haha. 0z EURO, 240 hours

 

 

It will be interesting to see what the 12z shows. Last three runs of the EURO would wipe the snow pack out by Thursday PM.

 

@ RC - Wow, High dewpoints like that would nuke the snow pack away. Flooding for sure.

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12z GFS brings 60 degree dewpoints almost up to southern tip of Lake Michigan next Saturday and 986 low over central WI. 100-120 kt h5 jet and 50-60 kt h85 jet. Yikes. I for one am not rooting for these solutions from the Euro and GFS because they would entail major flooding for all flood prone areas in the region.

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Actually 120-130 kt max from COD, which is incredible.

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12z GFS brings 60 degree dewpoints almost up to southern tip of Lake Michigan next Saturday and 986 low over central WI. 100-120 kt h5 jet and 50-60 kt h85 jet. Yikes. I for one am not rooting for these solutions from the Euro and GFS because they would entail major flooding for all flood prone areas in the region.

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12z GFS has MUCAPE of 1000 J/kg up to I-80 at 204 hours.  That is alarming from that model.

 

Next week could be whiplash weather at its finest.

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That's what I'm saying.... severe rainfall rates will eat snow. No desire for that YET.

Plus makes the ski hills ICY. 

 

While I don't want it to melt IMBY ... I know that is not practical. 

 

As you know the Petoskey area is what I am watching most.   The 12Z EURO is better (still needs some work) than the 0Z EURO that is for sure!!

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