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Winter 13-14' Med/Long Range Discussion Part 2


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EURO's take on teleconnetions this morning.

 

AO: + to - to neutral

NAO: + to neutral to slightly +

PNA: neutral to negative

EPO: + to slightly +

WPO: -, rising then wavering within +

 

CFS cooled temps for March, but before then:

 

13-18th: below normal south of I-80. above normal north.

16-21st: above normal

18-23: highly above normal especially south of 43°N

21-26th: above normal

23-28th: below normal NW of a line from Saginaw Bay to Galesburg, IL, + south & east

26-3: below normal NW of a line from Alpena to DBQ, slightly above normal south and east.

28-5th and beyond: below normal.

 

euro weeklies has below normal week 1, kinda torchy week 2, and weeks 3/4 below normal with the -epo coming back strong.

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euro weeklies has below normal week 1, kinda torchy week 2, and weeks 3/4 below normal with the -epo coming back strong.

 

The "torch" looks to be Wed through Saturday next week, then things get chaotic. We see a definite trough swinging in, but then some weird quasi-zonal pattern. The problem is that the crappy zonal pattern is after truncating the GFS at hour 180, I put little stock in those time frames.

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Actually my main point is that at least two analogs there were immediately before notable February severe weather events (2/5/08 and 2/10/09).

 

In any case, it appears there is at least some consensus for amplified western troughing and systems dropping out of the GoA vortex (or even a large chunk of that vortex) in addition to a rather significant warm-up, and the teleconnections that Geos listed there support that.

 

 

Have spent some time looking at the extended and think there's a chance of the first real tstorm/severe threat of the season for parts of the region later next week.  My chief concern at this time of year almost always has to do with moisture return and whether it will be of good quality or recycled garbage so that will need to be watched.  In terms of sfc/near sfc moisture, I'd have to think that the potentially large amount of melting snow could provide an assist but may result in fog issues, etc.  But in terms of the overall large scale setup that is being advertised, this is generally what you want to see.  Anyway, something to watch and mix things up in lieu of deep winter, even if the potential goes by the wayside. 

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I just looked at the 12z Euro and, unless I'm misinterpreting it, it only shows temperatures in the upper 20s/low 30s for southern Ontario and WNY on the 20th and 21st of the month.

 

As explained in the So. Ontario thread, the torch would move in about a day later. Just a transient downstream block that holds in some shallow arctic air for an extra day.

 

It will torch it looks like. Just a question of how long. About half of the 18z GEFS members are pretty brief with it. OP GFS seems to be slower to return the arctic air, with the EURO slower still (although it's also slower with the arrival of the torch).

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Have spent some time looking at the extended and think there's a chance of the first real tstorm/severe threat of the season for parts of the region later next week.  My chief concern at this time of year almost always has to do with moisture return and whether it will be of good quality or recycled garbage so that will need to be watched.

 

Deep moisture return should be at least half decent if not solid with both the period of return flow and the position of the high off the East Coast (in the means).

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euro weeklies has below normal week 1, kinda torchy week 2, and weeks 3/4 below normal with the -epo coming back strong.

 

 

awesome...  give the weak a few hot toddy's and jello shots - then we polar patron shot's party on in march. Back to back game fishing season openers in May on ice would make this blah winter an A+ for sure.  Hopefully that leads to the below normal pattern continuing until we torch next winter out.. Yep early call is winter cancel.

 

wiwx - RIP.

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With another full moon on our doorstep and the cold locked in place I feel the long range GFS might be overdone with the warmth. One thing is certain the long time blowing winds have been replaced with tranquil winter time core of cold and a absolute delight in the beauty of winter scenes which are a true rarity in our parts. Its been a long winter and perhaps everyone has enough of the cold. On a bright side the sun is out, radiant heating from the sun is making daytime chores pleasant, so get out there and snojoy the winter landscape.

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awesome...  give the weak a few hot toddy's and jello shots - then we polar patron shot's party on in march. Back to back game fishing season openers in May on ice would make this blah winter an A+ for sure.  Hopefully that leads to the below normal pattern continuing until we torch next winter out.. Yep early call is winter cancel.

 

wiwx - RIP.

With such a historic winter ongoing, I have already started to get a bad feeling about next winter :lol:. Of course, enso state, indicies, and analogs will shed more light on that down the road next Fall, so hopefully its just a bad feeling. Although, no way will next winter live up to this one.

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With such a historic winter ongoing, I have already started to get a bad feeling about next winter :lol:. Of course, enso state, indicies, and analogs will shed more light on that down the road next Fall, so hopefully its just a bad feeling. Although, no way will next winter live up to this one.

Even a 'decent' winter will be painful next winter :(:unsure:

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The 6z GFS would appear to end winter for our sub-forum beginning on the 19th.

because the 6z gfs goes to 45 days lol? A warmup is coming next week, magnitude and duration unknown, but signs towards colder than normal weather once again into March. The worst of winter has certainly passed, but its back isnt necessarily broken.
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The 6z GFS would appear to end winter for our sub-forum beginning on the 19th.

 

 

Good! I've never wanted winter to end early more than this year. I am utterly sick of scraping the window of my car every morning and feeling cold constantly. I love loads of snow and temperatures in the uppers 20s/lowers 30s. I cannot stand brutal cold, literally no point to having temperatures get that cold EVER! Just my little rant after hitting a ridiculous -14 this morning. Totally ready for some 50s/60s and sun!

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Good! I've never wanted winter to end early more than this year. I am utterly sick of scraping the window of my car every morning and feeling cold constantly. I love loads of snow and temperatures in the uppers 20s/lowers 30s. I cannot stand brutal cold, literally no point to having temperatures get that cold EVER! Just my little rant after hitting a ridiculous -14 this morning. Totally ready for some 50s/60s and sun!

I can kiss goodbye to the coldest winter in 20 years though if those temperatures verify. As I've said time and again, I'd have preferred if the torch held off until March 1st.

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because the 6z gfs goes to 45 days lol? A warmup is coming next week, magnitude and duration unknown, but signs towards colder than normal weather once again into March. The worst of winter has certainly passed, but its back isnt necessarily broken.

There were some that ended winter with the Post Christmas warm up and then some that cancelled winter with the January warm-up ... it is just going to get worse with this warm up.  Don't waste your time.  :whistle:;)

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On a more positive note, did people see what the Euro is depicting for Toronto next Monday? 11" of snow? Wow! Good thing that would hit on a holiday (Family Day) if it did. of course, given it's the Weatherbell maps, sleet and freezing rain could be mixed in, although it I saying that we end up with a snow depth of 30" in Pearson airport by the 19th!

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On a more positive note, did people see what the Euro is depicting for Toronto next Monday? 11" of snow? Wow! Good thing that would hit on a holiday (Family Day) if it did. of course, given it's the Weatherbell maps, sleet and freezing rain could be mixed in, although it I saying that we end up with a snow depth of 30" in Pearson airport by the 19th!

 

You guys get a Family Day up there? What the!??! That is awesome haha. I think you guys have double the amount of holidays the states have, so jealous. =(

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You guys get a Family Day up there? What the!??! That is awesome haha. I think you guys have double the amount of holidays the states have, so jealous. =(

The exact opposite actually. Our holidays are:

 

1) New Year's Day

2) Family Day

3) Good Friday

4) Victoria Day

5) Canada Day

6) Labour Day

7) Canadian Thanksgiving

8) Christmas Day

9) Boxing Day

 

Sorry about the off-topic moderators....

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The exact opposite actually. Our holidays are:

1) New Year's Day

2) Family Day

3) Good Friday

4) Victoria Day

5) Canada Day

6) Labour Day

7) Canadian Thanksgiving

8) Christmas Day

9) Boxing Day

Sorry about the off-topic moderators....

And one more holiday: Simcoe/Civic Day on the first Monday of August

Back on topic, last night's Euro and GEM looked pretty sweet for early next week. GFS not so much. It'll be interesting to see which solution pans out.

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