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Winter 13-14' Med/Long Range Discussion Part 2


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I actually have no problem with this. As long as we get some storms thrown in we may as well get this winter as extreme as it can get. Wouldn't mind a winter where every month from November- February averages below normal.

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It looks decent for Chicago, Detroit and Toronto in fact.

 

Widespread 6-10" storm.

 

The 18z GFS is the first run to show it though (not to mention how impossible it seems to get a storm like that with a track like that as of late), so it's more than likely a fluke. 

Hopefully this winter won't be bookended by ice storms. Wouldn't be surprised if this system ends up being a mixture of everything. Live in Toronto long enough and you'd understand why I feel this way.

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Hopefully this winter won't be bookended by ice storms. Wouldn't be surprised if this system ends up being a mixture of everything. Live in Toronto long enough and you'd understand why I feel this way.

 

This will be the first in a parade of storms. PV still close enough that I think whiff to the south is the most likely outcome. The ones afterwards with -PNA and increasingly +AO could be more snowy or messy.

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I don't mind this either. The cold air supply will be coming in from more southerly latitudes. It will be getting wetter, so things will become more interesting. SE ridge starts to back into the east so that will halt some of the coldest air and cause it to veer off into eastern Canada.

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I'm not being negative. I'm giving you my assessment based on what meteorological knowledge I have. What value is it to wishcast? 

Not wishcasting. I think the 2/1-2 system would impact our area based on the PV orienting itself to allow for some ridging along the east coast. It's what the models show not me wishcasting. Nice try though.

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Not wishcasting. I think the 2/1-2 system would impact our area based on the PV orienting itself to allow for some ridging along the east coast. It's what the models show not me wishcasting. Nice try though.

 

I wasn't saying you're wishcasting. I'm saying implicit in your post about me being negative is the desire that I'll say something like "yeah, big snowstorm on Feb 1 is a lock" or not say anything at all. Why would you want me to post something like that if I don't believe it to be true? Or why would you want me to refrain from making posts that are not pro-big snow?

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Not wishcasting. I think the 2/1-2 system would impact our area based on the PV orienting itself to allow for some ridging along the east coast. It's what the models show not me wishcasting. Nice try though.

 

 

I wasn't saying you're wishcasting. I'm saying implicit in your post about me being negative is the desire that I'll say something like "yeah, big snowstorm on Feb 1 is a lock" or not say anything at all. Why would you want me to post something like that if I don't believe it to be true? Or why would you want me to refrain from making posts that are not pro-big snow?

I'm thinking it will give a foot to Detroit before moving south, giving Toronto a few mood flakes and then reenergizing to give NYC and Boston 6-12".

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FYI: My "southerly latitudes" comment was pointing out air originating from western Canada, instead of the North Pole or Siberia.

 

JB is thinking that the SE ridge will push further west than some models are showing.

 

What are you thinking, big February mega-torch? Winter cancel? I need to know if I can start scheduling tee times!

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What are you thinking, big February mega-torch? Winter cancel? I need to know if I can start scheduling tee times!

 

Haha, not so fast. Maybe in March. JB says a battle of the ages is coming from the Great Plains to southern NE I think he put it.

 

Will end up getting air from SSC at times from what I can see. Still looking like widespread - 5-10° normal departures. 

 

I want to see if I can get to 70 days of snow cover in a row. Looking possible...

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Haha, not so fast. Maybe in March. JB says a battle of the ages is coming from the Great Plains to southern NE I think he put it.

 

Will end up getting air from SSC at times from what I can see. Still looking like widespread - 5-10° normal departures. 

 

I want to see if I can get to 70 days of snow cover in a row. Looking possible...

 

Just kidding, Geos. I expect February to be colder than normal for most of us. And a March torch? I'd bet against it right now. But, that's waaayyy out there in the future. First things first.

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That was a snoozer of a month for LAF. ORD did very well though.

 

 

Hopefully there wouldn't be an exact repeat, but it's what I thought of when looking at the extended.  I'm sure there's other examples of that kind of gradient...I think I have 1994 on the brain after seeing it mentioned on the forum so much in the past month.  :guitar:

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Not sure if it's been mentioned but the gradient in the extended is reminiscent of Feb 1994.

 

crazy storm here during that time.   Biggest sleet storm I ever recall.  Temps around 15 and heavy sleet all day, transitioned into thunderstorm freezing rain.  Everything was an ice rink the next week.   I remember Ohio state students skating down high street on the news.

The similarities are there.  We had just come out of a brutal cold wave and the baroclinic zone set up very similar to what the euro is depicting in the long range.

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Hopefully there wouldn't be an exact repeat, but it's what I thought of when looking at the extended.  I'm sure there's other examples of that kind of gradient...I think I have 1994 on the brain after seeing it mentioned on the forum so much in the past month.  :guitar:

 

lol, it's all I see in the SNE forum. 1993-94 this...1993-94 that. I think we had crummy luck that month (Feb 1994). And...should we expect another tornado this April? ;)

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Might be good for a pattern change late Feb and never look back...?  early spring, sunny and 65F on March 14th?  I'll take this now if we can guarantee some decent spring weather...last spring didn't happen here.

 

+100

 

Wouldn't want to see a repeat of Morch 2012 though.

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The 0c line is just at the S tip of the LOT CWA.  Marginal temps are awfully close on this one.  When I start seeing that snow/rain line that close this far out, I don't have a whole lot of confidence.  We'll watch the next few runs and see what happens.

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Haha, not so fast. Maybe in March. JB says a battle of the ages is coming from the Great Plains to southern NE I think he put it.

 

Will end up getting air from SSC at times from what I can see. Still looking like widespread - 5-10° normal departures. 

 

I want to see if I can get to 70 days of snow cover in a row. Looking possible...

His two biggest analogs for February are 1918 and 1994.

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