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January 11-12 Rain Soaker

Baroclinic Zone

By Baroclinic Zone,
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powderfreak

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:31 AM, cpick79 said:

I picture powder freak in a week , unshaven/un-showered . Looking @ reruns of seasons past, barely squinting to see the latest computer models print out paltry qpf then quickly looking away back to his stash of snowier year pics.

Using his sick time from work, pacing back in forth, mumbling to self "i live in a magical snowy place" , "i live in a magical snowy place". His posting style changes and he becomes very irritated and irrational snapping daily and posting 200+ cmc/jma upslope events .

Sneaking a fan gun or two home , so that in between cutters he can blow snow in his yard during the -20f cold spells.

:lol:

I love that last idea...sneaking a fan gun home the size of a hot-tub to bury the yard.

I'm really not that worked up about it, it's comical at this point how this has gone since Dec 1st. But it's always entertaining when someone from a snowy spot isn't doing too well, haha. I get that entertainment value of someone uneasy about the winter in a snowy place.

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powderfreak

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:37 AM, Ginxy said:

yowser, what's the normal in Stowe, how much do you have so far? I am very very intrigued.

So we are at 5" at the summit so far in January. Average is around 76" for the month. We get above normal snow this month I'll set you up with some skiing. Below normal snowfall, you get to let me post whatever I want the rest of the winter without a counter-post like "it's January freakin' 9th...yeeesh." ;)

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:53 AM, powderfreak said:

So we are at 5" at the summit so far in January. Average is around 76" for the month. We get above normal snow this month I'll set you up with some skiing. Below normal snowfall, you get to let me post whatever I want the rest of the winter without a counter-post like "it's January freakin' 9th...yeeesh." ;)

Poor Freak. The Magical Machine is broken
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N. OF PIKE

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:46 AM, LIJohn said:

Any idea of when the rain will be the heaviest in the Foxboro area?

As far as nailing it down to the hr, i dont think anyone is going there

If it helps the 3 hr window where the most liquid falls in foxboro is 7-10pm sat nite on 1 model and 4-7 on another (w steady rains 7-10) and like 10-midnite on another (btv wrf, gfs, nam) respectively.

It looks freakin wet and potentially very wet. Looks like the game time is as good as any for the hvy stuff, but may not know w more certainty till game day (timing 3 hr window is difficult)

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Ginx snewx

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:53 AM, powderfreak said:

So we are at 5" at the summit so far in January. Average is around 76" for the month. We get above normal snow this month I'll set you up with some skiing. Below normal snowfall, you get to let me post whatever I want the rest of the winter without a counter-post like "it's January freakin' 9th...yeeesh." ;)

that's the best bet ever, it's on like Donkey Kong, no lose bets are my favorite. So it's summit totals right?
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N. OF PIKE

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:47 AM, powderfreak said:

:lol:

I love that last idea...sneaking a fan gun home the size of a hot-tub to bury the yard.

I'm really not that worked up about it, it's comical at this point how this has gone since Dec 1st. But it's always entertaining when someone from a snowy spot isn't doing too well, haha. I get that entertainment value of someone uneasy about the winter in a snowy place.

Lol @ last sentence

Well stowe will survive and you will have many more 300"/year seasons so you won't get the sympathy coastal wx got when he neared his breaking point after last xmas

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powderfreak

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:56 AM, Ginxy said:

that's the best bet ever, it's on like Donkey Kong, no lose bets are my favorite. So it's summit totals right?

Yeah my 3,000ft snow board, as reported through Stowe. Yeah you don't have much to lose except you have to bite your tongue when you want to counter a post by me that you don't think is as enthusiastic as it should be, haha.

And in my camp, getting you up here for a couple days is well worth another 70-inches falling in the next 21 days.

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  On 1/10/2014 at 1:59 AM, cpick79 said:

I'd go w powders 3100' snow stake Steve.

What a win-win bet for Steve

At this point I'll try anything, even if I have to play reverse psych or bet myself into big snows. I'd take 6 feet of snow in 21 days (even if it is at the summit) in a heartbeat over winning a bet, lol.

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  On 1/10/2014 at 2:08 AM, powderfreak said:

At this point I'll try anything, even if I have to play reverse psych or bet myself into big snows. I'd take 6 feet of snow in 21 days (even if it is at the summit) in a heartbeat over winning a bet, lol.

30 days hath September April June and November all the rest have 31 cept February's 28 unless it's a leap year. Let the counting begin.
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  On 1/10/2014 at 2:59 AM, Ginxy said:

Wait a stinking minute, this says Mt Mansfield averages 40.7 in Jan, how did you get 76?http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?vt5416

Because they have the MWN effect at the top of the mountain. Snow is blown off. PF your stake is

3100' right? That's where you guys get the official Stowe measurement?

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N. OF PIKE

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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:16 AM, Ginxy said:

I need data, not sure, more than this decade too

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That summit snowfall i think is collected in like a "cup" or snow can , and obv it doesnt blow straight down into snow "cup". often times they record 5" when powder freak measures 9" at 3100' and mt mansfield summit snow steak depth goes up 9-10". You do the math, the summit snowfall data is crap pfreak goes on and on about this .

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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:22 AM, cpick79 said:

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That summit snowfall i think is collected in like a "cup" or snow can , and obv it doesnt blow straight down into snow "cup". often times they record 5" when powder freak measures 9" at 3100' and mt mansfield summit snow steak depth goes up 9-10". You do the math, the summit snowfall data is crap pfreak goes on and on about this .

You would think bases would increase more than this with 76 for the monthhttp://www.stowe.com/ski-ride/conditions/weather-data-summary/
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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:22 AM, cpick79 said:

?

That summit snowfall i think is collected in like a "cup" or snow can , and obv it doesnt blow straight down into snow "cup". often times they record 5" when powder freak measures 9" at 3100' and mt mansfield summit snow steak depth goes up 9-10". You do the math, the summit snowfall data is crap pfreak goes on and on about this .

snow stake average depth is 36 Jan 1, 56 Feb 1, just wondering where 76 is from, hopefully not from an average the last 13 years, too short a record. So you are saying the official measurement misses 36 inches a month, interesting
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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:29 AM, Ginxy said:

You would think bases would increase more than this with 76 for the monthhttp://www.stowe.com/ski-ride/conditions/weather-data-summary/

Meh as scooter says its fake snow (lol) and those base depths are not summit base(where 70"+ falls, at 1600' base they are prob getting near 50" (mostly fluff) new for month.

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Ginxy you seem to be going thru alot of trouble to get pfreak to perhaps take his generous bet off table , i would gladly take the "bet" with his terms and a nice big 76" inch 13 year average. lmao haha aside

Maybe it will ave 65 over a 100 year period ....maybe 80". There is a reason powderfreak (stowe) reports over 20% more snow than then summit the last 13 years. The summit data is clearly off.

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Ginx snewx

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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:39 AM, cpick79 said:

Ginxy you seem to be going thru alot of trouble to get pfreak to perhaps take his generous bet off table , i would gladly take the "bet" with his terms and a nice big 76" inch 13 year average. lmao haha aside

Maybe it will ave 65 over a 100 year period ....maybe 80". There is a reason powderfreak (stowe) reports over 20% more snow than then summit the last 13 years. The summit data is clearly off.

no no I will take it anyways, trying to find out where the 76 is from, that's all. First I heard of it.
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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:15 AM, CoastalWx said:

Because they have the MWN effect at the top of the mountain. Snow is blown off. PF your stake is

3100' right? That's where you guys get the official Stowe measurement?

Correct. The MMNV1 snow data is notoriously fickle, especially during fluffy snowfall like we get a lot of in January. They capture heavy wet snow pretty well, as it's harder to blow that around and it cakes the gauge. Or any rare calm wind snowfall. I look at it like try measuring snow during the coastal blizz 8 days ago in a rain gauge. How much snow do you think would've actually found its way into the gauge in high winds?

It's not their fault per say...summits just aren't a good place for measuring snowfall. There's a reason why most western resorts get their snow data from mid-mountain and not the summit bowls.

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powderfreak

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  On 1/10/2014 at 3:33 AM, Ginxy said:

snow stake average depth is 36 Jan 1, 56 Feb 1, just wondering where 76 is from, hopefully not from an average the last 13 years, too short a record. So you are saying the official measurement misses 36 inches a month, interesting

Well depth and fake snow have an interesting relationship, haha.

With 95" on the year at 3000ft, one would assume there would be more than the 20" that's on the ground now.

I'll post more later but I've only got semi-limited data per month going back 15 years, but seasonal totals going back much longer. Either way you don't get 300" by averaging 45" in January, a snowiest month.

Let's look at it this way too...JSpin has been averaging 40.5" at 500ft in Waterbury, VT for January's he's lived at his location. Not a long period of record, but we work with what we are given. Translate that to a better orographic position and at over 3000ft.

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