Cold temps thread Fri/Sat Jan 3-4

[Bostonseminole]

OT but that GB game on sun is going to be frigid

[CapturedNature]

My apologies to Coventry. I wonder where that was recorded. Coventry overall is pretty hilly town and you wouldn't think an all time state record would come from there. It must have been in a real low spot near that river

 

Our town varies in elevation from 934' down to around 200'. Perhaps this reading was from close to the Mansfield line as that is in a valley of sorts.

 

The station is located here:

 

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USC00061689/detail

 

If I recall from some previous attempts at looking at snowfall data, they do well temp wise but like Storrs, seem to have relatively low annual snowfalls compared to places just north of there.  Stafford Springs when it was located along the river valley also used to radiate well.  They were -26° that morning of a high in the upper teens.

[CapturedNature]

It's a tie, but it still counts IMO. I wonder where this reading was taken.

 

I don't recall anyone, including the NCDC saying it doesn't count.  I just hadn't heard of that before.  Sorry of it seemed like I was saying otherwise.

[Sugarloaf1989]

The station is located here:

 

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCND/stations/GHCND:USC00061689/detail

 

If I recall from some previous attempts at looking at snowfall data, they do well temp wise but like Storrs, seem to have relatively low annual snowfalls compared to places just north of there.  Stafford Springs when it was located along the river valley also used to radiate well.  They were -26° that morning of a high in the upper teens.

 

That station is located in a hollow on the Skungamaug River.

[Damage In Tolland]

That station is located in a hollow on the Skungamaug River.

Yup that's exactly where I figured it would be. No wonder.. LOL..I'm sure 99% of town wasn't that cold that morning..but someone who knew what they were doing put a thermo in that spot..and it goes down in the history books

[Sugarloaf1989]

I don't recall anyone, including the NCDC saying it doesn't count.  I just hadn't heard of that before.  Sorry of it seemed like I was saying otherwise.

 

 

No worries, I just think it should be listed in more places online along with the Falls Village reading, especially if it's a tie. Most places only have Falls Village.

[Sugarloaf1989]

Yup that's exactly where I figured it would be. No wonder.. LOL..I'm sure 99% of town wasn't that cold that morning..but someone who knew what they were doing put a thermo in that spot..and it goes down in the history books

 

 

Bigeow Hollow up by Union was probably very cold then as well, but I don't think there is a station there. The hollow is usually at least 5F colder than higher places around it when we go there to walk on the ice.

[Typhoon Tip]

It appears the cold is coming in a bit faster than guidance along Rt 2 up through NE Mass... BED slipped back to 10F during the morning, and their previous machine guidance' had them teeny-bopping through this evening.  

 

Impressed with ALB!   Wow, stuck at 3F.   DP of -4..   S-

 

9F here in Ayer. 

 

Impressive gradient along this arctic boundary....

 

[CapturedNature]

Bigeow Hollow up by Union was probably very cold then as well, but I don't think there is a station there. The hollow is usually at least 5F colder than higher places around it when we go there to walk on the ice.

 

I need to get a temperature logger.  I've been meaning to get one and tomorrow night would be a great night to see what the temps do there.  It's a great sheltered location.  I know I see a 3-4° drop from my place to lower places so it must be similar there.

[heavy_wx]

It's possible Albany breaks the record low maximum temperature for today of 4F. The high so far is 3F and we're currently at 2F.

 

EDIT: Forgot to take into account the early morning high of 17F. Too bad because the maximum temperature from 12z to 00z was only 3F.

[powderfreak]

Probably better to post this in here... put it in the storm thread but may get buried quickly.

 

This one is for Jerry and Ginxy...

 

WE SAW A HIGH OF -4F AT BTV...WHICH OCCURRED AT MIDNIGHT. THE
DAYTIME HIGH WAS ONLY -8F...AND TEMPS HAVE FALLEN BACK TO -11F AT
3PM. THE HIGH OF -4F IS THE COLDEST MAX OBSERVED AT BTV SINCE
1/9/2004 (NEARLY 10 YEARS!). SOME LOCATIONS IN NORTHERN NY DIDN`T
GET ABOVE -10F DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS.

[powderfreak]

OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS INCLUDE POSSIBLE FREEZING OF WATER PIPES
AND DEVELOPING FROST HEAVES ON ROADWAYS OWING TO SUB-ZERO TEMPS.
THIS THREAT WILL EXIST OVER THE NEXT 36-48 HOURS UNTIL TEMPS FINALLY
WARM ABOVE ZERO IN THE NORTHERN ZONES SATURDAY. WE/VE SEEN THESE
COLD SNAPS HISTORICALLY ACROSS VERMONT...BUT IT HAS BEEN QUITE A
NUMBER OF YEARS. THE NUMBER OF HOURS BELOW ZERO WILL LIKELY RANK IN
THE TOP 10 IN THE BURLINGTON WX RECORD...SO THIS IS DEFINITELY AN
ARCTIC AIR MASS OF NOTE. FOR THOSE VENTURING OUT...DRESS IN LAYERS
AND MINIMIZE EXPOSED SKIN.

[dendrite]

MAV has -35F for HIE Sat AM.

[mreaves]

WCAX (CBS affiliate in Burlington) just put up a graphic comparing current conditions in Barrow, AK to BTV. -11 with a -31 wind chill in BTV, -1 with a -25 wind chill in Barrow.

[bobbutts]

-15 in my p+c with 5-10mph winds

I think I've been that cold with radiational, but not with wind.

[moneypitmike]

I'm keeping my p/c for posterity.  This picture may not be clear.  My ZFP is for -18 - -24

 

NWS Forecast for: Shelburne MA
Issued by: National Weather Service Taunton, MA
Last Update: 5:16 am EST Jan 3, 2014

Winter Storm Warning
Wind Chill Advisory
Hazardous Weather Outlook

Today: Snow likely with areas of blowing snow before 9am, then areas of blowing snow and a chance of snow showers between 9am and 11am, then areas of blowing snow after 11am. Cloudy through mid morning, then gradual clearing and cold, with a high near 7. Wind chill values as low as -15. Northwest wind 7 to 11 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. Total daytime snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.

Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around -25. Northwest wind 5 to 7 mph becoming calm in the evening.

Saturday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 21. Wind chill values as low as -27. Calm wind becoming south 5 to 8 mph in the morning.

[dendrite]

-15 in my p+c with 5-10mph winds

I think I've been that cold with radiational, but not with wind.

I wouldn't expect that to be collocated. Probably 5-10mph winds early in the night, diminishing, and then the bottom falls out.

-15F with strong winds has happened at CON before though, but it's probably been awhile.

[moneypitmike]

LOL--Chris has a -28 in his p/c.  He'll beat me yet again.  I thought my -25 gave me a chance.

 

This'll be one of the nights I set my alarm for 2:00a.m. just to load up the stoves again.   That would be one of the few drawbacks of living where such temps are more commonplace.

 

3.8/1 off a high of 4.4

[CapturedNature]

Box is expecting a pretty good temperature gradient between northern CT and northern MA.  They have me with a forecasted low of -7° and the Rte 2 corridor in MA around -28°.  It's usually not that large.  Should be some cold readings tomorrow morning either way.

 

Currently 7° here and 4° over in Union.

[HoarfrostHubb]

Where are they forecasting -28F?

[CapturedNature]

Where are they forecasting -28F?

 

Here's one but the entire Rte 2 corridor is in the -25° to -28° range:

 

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=42.58126485794608&lon=-72.52281188964844#.UsbAo7RYFtE

[HoarfrostHubb]

Here's one but the entire Rte 2 corridor is in the -25° to -28° range:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=42.58126485794608&lon=-72.52281188964844#.UsbAo7RYFtE

Nice. I did not look that far west. In my area (3 miles from Rte 2) they have -13F

[moneypitmike]

Where are they forecasting -28F?

 

Chris' p/c has -28.  Mine has -25.

 

I won't get it on the hill, but it's fun to look at nonetheless.

[dryslot]

Much easier to break a daily record. Our regional all-time temps are pretty tough to beat. Impressive that northern ME today came within 3 degrees.

 

 

Saw later yesterday that CAR pulled back on the Van Buren temp, I guess it could not be verified, It looked out of whack with the rest being the only station -5F colder the the other 2 coldest that were further west of there

000NOUS41 KCAR 030342 CCBPNSCARPUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED FOR MASARDIS AND CONNOR TWPNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CARIBOU ME1040 PM EST THU JAN 2 2014...LATEST LOW TEMPERATURE REPORTS FOR JANUARY 2ND 2014...LOCATION                       TEMP      TIME/DATE       LAT/LON...MAINE......AROOSTOOK...BIG BLACK RIVER                -42       0630 AM 01/02   46.89N/69.75WMASARDIS                       -42       0700 AM 01/02NINE-MILE BRIDGE               -40       0600 AM 01/02   46.70N/69.72WDICKEY                         -39       0500 AM 01/02   47.11N/69.09WLIMESTONE                      -36       0630 AM 01/02   46.55N/67.49WLILLE                          -35       0700 AM 01/02   47.28N/68.11W1 SW FORT KENT                 -34       0703 AM 01/02   47.24N/68.61W5 SE GRAND ISLE                -31       0631 AM 01/02   47.24N/68.10WLILLE                          -31       0700 AM 01/021 SSE FORT KENT                -31       0632 AM 01/02   47.25N/68.58WPRESQUE ISLE AIRPORT           -29       0535 AM 01/02   46.69N/68.04W4 E NEW SWEDEN                 -29       0718 AM 01/02   46.96N/68.03WCARIBOU                        -28       0654 AM 01/02   46.87N/68.01W2 W SAINT AGATHA               -27       0730 AM 01/02   47.25N/68.35WFRENCHVILLE AIRPORT            -26       0553 AM 01/02   47.28N/68.31W5 SSE CARIBOU                  -26       0711 AM 01/02   46.78N/67.99WPORTAGE                        -26       0800 AM 01/02PRESQUE ISLE HILLTOP           -25       0700 AM 01/02   46.69N/67.99WMADAWASKA                      -25       0634 AM 01/02   47.35N/68.33W1 ENE PRESQUE ISLE             -25       0540 AM 01/02   46.69N/67.99W3 NW MONTICELLO                -24       0735 AM 01/02   46.34N/67.89W1 NE CARIBOU                   -24       0622 AM 01/02   46.87N/68.01WHOULTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT  -24       0653 AM 01/02   46.12N/67.79W1 SSW ASHLAND                  -23       0500 AM 01/02   46.60N/68.41W1 NW PRESQUE ISLE              -22       0500 AM 01/02   46.70N/68.03W1 W LITTLETON                  -20       07

[powderfreak]

Hey at least snowmaking is productive in these temps... This is what calm winds and -15F will do.

[ApacheTrout]

Chris' p/c has -28.  Mine has -25.

 

I won't get it on the hill, but it's fun to look at nonetheless.

That's nasty cold and I hope it verifies.  But it doesn't line up with forecasted lows to the north into VT, which makes me suspect the P/C is a mistake.  BTV's graphical forecast map shows widespread lows in the mid negative teens, with even Saranac Lake at only -21F, and with other lows in the negative 20s found along the Canadian border.

[moneypitmike]

That's nasty cold and I hope it verifies.  But it doesn't line up with forecasted lows to the north into VT, which makes me suspect the P/C is a mistake.  BTV's graphical forecast map shows widespread lows in the mid negative teens, with even Saranac Lake at only -21F, and with other lows in the negative 20s found along the Canadian border.

 

They are ambitious.  The zfp is calling for -18 to -24 for western Franklin (me) and -21 to -27 for eastern Franklin (Chris).

[klw]

Hey at least snowmaking is productive in these temps... This is what calm winds and -15F will do.

Okay, what happens if you ski at the snow pile?  Do you go up it or does it just puff away around you?

[heavy_wx]

Hey at least snowmaking is productive in these temps... This is what calm winds and -15F will do.

 

Whoa, that's neat! Does that snow have to be spread around the trails or does it just settle and get transported by the wind?

[tamarack]

I just cannot imagine it ever getting that cold here. Seems like we struggle mightily to get to -10 even under presumably ideal conditions. That must've been a heck of an airmass.

 

That PWM temp may be the most anomalous ever recorded for a New Emgland location.  I don't know what the averages were for PWM in 1943, but using today's norms, -39 would be 56F below the avg minimum.   It's 13F colder than their next lowest (I'm omitting the -31 on 2/15/43 as it was obviously an 11:59 PM reading as the temp dove for the record.)   I'm too lazy to do the research (it's not real important, anyway), but I'm guessing that -39 is the country's coldest sea level - well, 72 ft but less than 1,000' from salt water - until one gets north of the Aleutian Peninsula.

 

Question about the MA record:  When did they hit -40.  When I've checked, the record is listed at -35 at Chester in Jan 1981.  I'd hate to lose that one, if only because the same location also holds (in a tie) the state heat record with 107 on Hot Saturday in Aug 1975.