FLweather Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Thank god Directtv got rid of TWC. Obiviously they have been showing the 200+ hour euro snow maps too. Trying to improve thier ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Thank god Directtv got rid of TWC. Obiviously they have been showing the 200+ hour euro snow maps too. Trying to improve thier ratings. No they haven't. Direct TV probably told Atlanta folks that the storm would go south of them which is probably what most people heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLweather Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 No they haven't. Direct TV probably told Atlanta folks that the storm would go south of them which is probably what most people heard. Someone posted all excitingly about the euro. Ask where she heard it.. maybe not but weatherchannel is calling for snow the same days as the euro map was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Lol he is just going by what they are saying. That wasn't lacking about me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Someone posted all excitingly about the euro. Ask where she heard it.. maybe not but weatherchannel is calling for snow the same days as the euro map was If Euro clown maps are going to start being spread like wildfire over the internet, I see a forecasting misinformation nightmare in the making. This is not good, folks, especially for the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Brick is suggesting that it will trend colder to support snow. Because Brick doesn't know what a 500 mb pattern is, his implication is nullified. However, certainly the surface temps could trend colder. One would hope the depth of the air would increase to the point that sleet would become the predominant P-type. A west coast trough, flat or otherwise, and a SE ridge, even if the ridge axis is offshore, does not support a widespread SE snowstorm. Assuming the system is real, and if confluence holds in the NE, it will be a wintry mix/ice storm for most in the SE where temps are at or below freezing. Lol he is just going by what they are saying. First of all, I wasn't even talking about you. Second, I don't always say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilj4425 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 That wasn't lacking about me? Can I haz cheezburger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Someone posted all excitingly about the euro. Ask where she heard it.. maybe not but weatherchannel is calling for snow the same days as the euro map was I just started watching TWC since I got home about 30 minutes ago, and they only showed a model talking about the winter storm this weekend, and the big storm next Tuesday for the Midwest. Whoever posted that probably doesn't even know how to read the model TWC was showing. I'll tell you if they show the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 That wasn't lacking about me?Clearly I was referring to Brickbot. Hell Ray Charles can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Clearly I was referring to Brickbot. Hell Ray Charles can see that.Quit hatin cause you didn't get but 4 sleet pellets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Clearly I was referring to Brickbot. Hell Ray Charles can see that. Ray Charles is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Looks a bit wet to me next week!!! .SUNDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN. HIGHSIN THE MID 50S..SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. RAIN LIKELY...MAINLY AFTERMIDNIGHT. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. CHANCE OF RAIN 60 PERCENT..MONDAY...RAIN AND SNOW LIKELY IN THE MORNING...THEN RAIN LIKELYIN THE AFTERNOON. COOLER WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 40S. CHANCE OFPRECIPITATION 60 PERCENT..MONDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN.LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S..TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN LIKELY. HIGHS AROUND 40. LOWSIN THE MID 30S. CHANCE OF RAIN 70 PERCENT..WEDNESDAY...RAIN LIKELY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. CHANCE OF RAIN70 PERCENT..WEDNESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN SHOWERS LIKELY IN THEEVENING...THEN PARTLY CLOUDY AFTER MIDNIGHT. COOLER WITH LOWS INTHE MID 20S. CHANCE OF RAIN 70 PERCENT..THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. COOLER WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Ray Charles is dead.No **** Sherlock. I'm ready for Summer and Hurricane season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Quit hatin cause you didn't get but 4 sleet pellets!Actually we had sleet almost all afternoon yesterday. It was fun while it lasted, but the temperatures were a killer. Crazy thing is that some cars that came through had snow or sleet all over there cars and you could see piles of snow in the street. Most likely came from areas up N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilj4425 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 So much loving going on in this thread right now. Where is jburns when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If Euro clown maps are going to start being spread like wildfire over the internet, I see a forecasting misinformation nightmare in the making. This is not good, folks, especially for the south. You can't hide information from people. I see no problem with letting information out. It is now up to the individual consumer what they choose to do with it. The Euro snow maps are not some super-classified, government secret that only those with high-level clearance are allowed to see. If people want to go crazy with this information, then let them. It's their choice. Others might choose to educate themselves and see what the map really means and how it's created. That would be a great thing for our weather hobby/devotion/addiction that we all share on this board. So, I must respectfully disagree with you on this, Larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWERSTROKE Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Sounds like the games are about to begin. Bad thing is there is no ice melt available on the east coast for two weeks. Major shortage Nationwide. Oh well we will plow plow plow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshM Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We can chop up all the fallen trees and trade for ice melt... wait, too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You can't hide information from people. I see no problem with letting information out. It is now up to the individual consumer what they choose to do with it. The Euro snow maps are not some super-classified, government secret that only those with high-level clearance are allowed to see. If people want to go crazy with this information, then let them. It's their choice. Others might choose to educate themselves and see what the map really means and how it's created. That would be a great thing for our weather hobby/devotion/addiction that we all share on this board. So, I must respectfully disagree with you on this, Larry. Calc, But it is misinformation. The misinformation shouldn't even be distributed to anyone, much less the general public. Because they're very inaccurate, what good does it do for the ignorant general public to see them? It is bad enough when they see accurate info. But inaccurate? Example: Euro clown maps yesterday showed 4" of snow in Savannah that day, which was essentially impossible with 850's well above 0C. How is it good for the largely ignorant general public to see maps showing 4": of snow yesterday when it had no chance to happen? Savannah got no snow whatsoever, which I pretty much expected and as the GFS clown showed.. Edit: Now I just read in the other thread that they're circulating maps for next weekend showing ATL getting a huge snow when the model isn't really doing that. OMG, this is really bad! I wish there was a way to outlaw clowns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You can't hide information from people. I see no problem with letting information out. It is now up to the individual consumer what they choose to do with it. The Euro snow maps are not some super-classified, government secret that only those with high-level clearance are allowed to see. If people want to go crazy with this information, then let them. It's their choice. Others might choose to educate themselves and see what the map really means and how it's created. That would be a great thing for our weather hobby/devotion/addiction that we all share on this board. So, I must respectfully disagree with you on this, Larry.good post I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWXnc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Calc, But it is misinformation. The misinformation shouldn't even be distributed to anyone, much less the general public. Because they're very inaccurate, what good does it do for the ignorant general public to see them? It is bad enough when they see accurate info. But inaccurate? Example: Euro clown maps yesterday showed 4" of snow in Savannah that day, which was essentially impossible with 850's well above 0C. How is it good for the largely ignorant general public to see maps showing 4": of snow yesterday when it had no chance to happen? Savannah got no snow whatsoever, which I pretty much expected. Agreed -- and most of the images I have seen plastered around social media are from subscription sites. I wonder what the sites think about all these images being spread around the internet for free? I mean, I'm sure they can pick up a few more subscribers out of curiosity, but it also seems unfair to those who pay to subscribe yet see some of the images floating around for free. As a side note, I feel like a "true" meteorologist would make his or her own maps based on their own interpretation of what the models output (exactly like WxJordan just did in the discussion thread -- good job, btw!). Posting raw model output for the general public is modelology and requires no skill or education. I do think it is misinformation. Like I said before, the general public doesn't care whether it's a model or a forecast -- they see a map with colors and numbers that shows snow in their backyard. Models also change every few hours, yet the posts keep being shared and spread. Last week I saw someone share a 3-day old euro map, when the current models and forecast showed nothing near that same solution. It causes confusion and panic. No, you shouldn't hide information. But I think you should responsibly filter what you put out there based on your audience, and based on what you are trying to convey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKY18 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 This is a good debate. Lots of people agreeing with each side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We can't help what people put on Facebook , so I wouldn't worry to much about it. If people want to know what's going to happen , they need to sign up or just lurk, and learn! I just look at local mets to see how far off they are from everyone's opinion/ forecast on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Foothills Snowman Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Looks a bit wet to me next week!!! .SUNDAY...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN. HIGHS IN THE MID 50S. .SUNDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY. RAIN LIKELY...MAINLY AFTER MIDNIGHT. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. CHANCE OF RAIN 60 PERCENT. .MONDAY...RAIN AND SNOW LIKELY IN THE MORNING...THEN RAIN LIKELY IN THE AFTERNOON. COOLER WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 40S. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 60 PERCENT. .MONDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH A 30 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAIN. LOWS IN THE LOWER 30S. .TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT...RAIN LIKELY. HIGHS AROUND 40. LOWS IN THE MID 30S. CHANCE OF RAIN 70 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY...RAIN LIKELY. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S. CHANCE OF RAIN 70 PERCENT. .WEDNESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN SHOWERS LIKELY IN THE EVENING...THEN PARTLY CLOUDY AFTER MIDNIGHT. COOLER WITH LOWS IN THE MID 20S. CHANCE OF RAIN 70 PERCENT. .THURSDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY. COOLER WITH HIGHS IN THE MID 30S. You may want to check out wxsouth video for Feb .Very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjames1992 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's really not endemic among just WeatherBell maps. All snow clown maps are pretty terrible. WeatherBell's are the worst, no doubt, but even the one found on Allan's site can be way off depending on the situation. The truth is that clown maps should probably never be used for serious forecasting and I don't think they ever really are used for that. They're nice "model porn" to look at, though, especially with all the pretty colors on WeatherBell's maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's been since 2005 since most of the area has had major ice storm so we are overdue. If the models are right with all of the key features, this storm could end up much worse and more widespread than the 1999, 2002, and 2005 ice storms. The key is the confluence I think. If that is there the high gets locked in and we don't warm above freezing for quite a while. If we lose the confluence the is will be lesser of a threat. Still trying, eh? Good for you. Although I still expect a redaction to your staunch call for an end to winter west of I-95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 You may want to check out wxsouth video for Feb .Very encouraging. Yea seen it.... sounds encouraging, but I'm certainly not getting excited over a 8 day modeled storm! Got to get it 4 or 5 days out with same indication for snow/Ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculus1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Calc, But it is misinformation. The misinformation shouldn't even be distributed to anyone, much less the general public. Because they're very inaccurate, what good does it do for the ignorant general public to see them? It is bad enough when they see accurate info. But inaccurate? Example: Euro clown maps yesterday showed 4" of snow in Savannah that day, which was essentially impossible with 850's well above 0C. How is it good for the largely ignorant general public to see maps showing 4": of snow yesterday when it had no chance to happen? Savannah got no snow whatsoever, which I pretty much expected and as the GFS clown showed.. Edit: Now I just read in the other thread that they're circulating maps for next weekend showing ATL getting a huge snow when the model isn't really doing that. OMG, this is really bad! I wish there was a way to outlaw clowns! It's great for the local economies for people to see these maps! Grocery stores will make a killing! But, seriously, I don't think it hurts anything. I myself am not on Facebook or Twitter or any social media other than AmWx (this is quite social, isn't it?), but I'll look at other people's pages, especially those of mets. Brad clearly wrote the word "MODEL" on the image, and "NOT A FORECAST." If people really believe that any model or weatherman can accurately predict what will happen 10 days from now, then they've got other issues, ones that we are not going to solve by preventing them from seeing these maps. Sure, it stinks that the Euro map overcompensates snowfall totals, but again it doesn't hurt anything, other than to really disappoint some of those on this board who live and die by every single model run. In any event, the posting of model maps on social media is not preventable or governable. There's no way to police people and what they choose to post on social media, so it's something we'll just have to accept and live with. The world will continue to go on, and perhaps some person, who is already enthralled by the weather, will become curious over these maps and seek out locations where people talk about them in earnest. Then, we will have added another member to this awesome group of weather lovers that we all participate in. Agreed -- and most of the images I have seen plastered around social media are from subscription sites. I wonder what the sites think about all these images being spread around the internet for free? I mean, I'm sure they can pick up a few more subscribers out of curiosity, but it also seems unfair to those who pay to subscribe yet see some of the images floating around for free. As a side note, I feel like a "true" meteorologist would make his or her own maps based on their own interpretation of what the models output (exactly like WxJordan just did in the discussion thread -- good job, btw!). Posting raw model output for the general public is modelology and requires no skill or education. I do think it is misinformation. Like I said before, the general public doesn't care whether it's a model or a forecast -- they see a map with colors and numbers that shows snow in their backyard. Models also change every few hours, yet the posts keep being shared and spread. Last week I saw someone share a 3-day old euro map, when the current models and forecast showed nothing near that same solution. It causes confusion and panic. No, you shouldn't hide information. But I think you should responsibly filter what you put out there based on your audience, and based on what you are trying to convey. First of all, I think WxBell loves all the free advertising their getting. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if they have not intentionally coded their snowfall maps to overcompensate totals, because that's what the people want: "You want snow? We'll give you snow!" (Fantasy snow, that is!) Seriously, who among us isn't enthralled when looking at their maps with "all the pretty colors"? Their graphics rock! They have made a great visual product. Perhaps they'll adjust their algorithms over time, or perhaps not. The market will drive their business choices. Isn't that how it usually works? Secondly, the general public may not "care whether it's a model or a forecast," but that's their issue, not that of the Facebook poster. Do you believe everything you read on the Internet? I know I sure don't. An individual should be responsible enough to do their own homework, weigh the credibility of the poster, evaluate the content they are viewing, and then make an informed decision regarding what they want to do with the information. If they go raid the local grocery store prematurely, well, that's not the fault of the person who posted the map on Facebook. Gentlemen, I don't suppose I'm going to convince you to see it from my point of view, and I don't believe you're going to bring me around to your way of thinking on this issue either. So, we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one. And, that's OK. There's room for all of us on this great weather board. Now, let's reel in some more awesome winter storms!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWXnc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 "You want snow? We'll give you snow!" (Fantasy snow, that is!) you're probably right! Do you believe everything you read on the Internet? I know I sure don't. An individual should be responsible enough to do their own homework, weigh the credibility of the poster, evaluate the content they are viewing, and then make an informed decision regarding what they want to do with the information. Maybe that's the problem: there's no Snopes for weather models Gentlemen, I don't suppose I'm going to convince you to see it from my point of view, and I don't believe you're going to bring me around to your way of thinking on this issue either. So, we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one. And, that's OK. Yep -- it's just an interesting discussion topic these days, especially with what Atlanta just went through and already rumors of another storm on the horizon! Complex issue to think about. If they go raid the local grocery store prematurely, well, that's not the fault of the person who posted the map on Facebook. If they grab up all the pizza & beer, then it is their fault! There's no convincing me otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just read this interesting article about long range models and social media. I for one could care less what people do with a bs euro snow map. But this author has some great points on why we should care... http://www.nj.com/weather-guy/index.ssf/2014/01/monster_blizzard_headed_to_nj_probably_not_but_social_media_is_a_powerful_thing.html Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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